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[–] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How does a people that experiences the horrors of concentration camps and genocide, just a few generations later, get to the point of perpetrating the same crimes that their predecessors were victims of?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 25 points 2 days ago

By not experiencing the horrors of concentration camps and genocide. Zionists like to Holocaustwash their atrocities, but the people who built and now populate Israel for the most part have nothing to do with the Holocaust. Prominent Zionist leaders in British Palestine were all there before the war, and half the population of Israel is of Middle Eastern—not European—descent. In fact at least at first (not sure if it's a thing now) Zionist Jews actively looked down on Holocaust victims and survivors as weak diaspora Jews who suffered because of their weakness, unlike strong Aliyah Jews who would never go through such a thing.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is going to cause a stir but Israel is not in large part comprised of nor lead by Holocaust survivors and in fact there was a vocal refusal to deal with or acknowledge Israel because proto Israelis kept bombing schools and hotels while also murdering Muslim and Christian leaders that opposed the creation of an Israeli state in currently settled land displacing the native populace.

Don't get me wrong there are survivors, there are survivors who were influential in both the creation and operation of Israel but there were never enough Jews in mandatory Palestine which is why for like what 100 years Israel has called Jews to return "home" (Hok Ha-Shvut).

It's neither here nor there but this insistence they have some deeper understanding of the Holocaust then any other nation is infuriating.

[–] truxnell@aussie.zone 0 points 2 days ago

You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.