this post was submitted on 04 Jul 2025
137 points (97.2% liked)
TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name
5455 readers
673 users here now
/c/TenForward: Your home-away-from-home for all things Star Trek!
Re-route power to the shields, emit a tachyon pulse through the deflector, and post all the nonsense you want. Within reason of course.
~ 1. No bigotry. This is a Star Trek community. Remember that diversity and coexistence are Star Trek values. Any post/comments that are racist, anti-LGBT, or generally "othering" of a group will result in removal/ban.
~ 2. Keep it civil. Disagreements will happen both on lore and preferences. That's okay! Just don't let it make you forget that the person you are talking to is also a person.
~ 3. Use spoiler tags. This applies to any episodes that have dropped within 3 months prior of your posting. After that it's free game.
~ 4. Keep it Trek related. This one is kind of a gimme but keep as on topic as possible.
~ 5. Keep posts to a limit. We all love Star Trek stuff but 3-4 posts in an hour is plenty enough.
~ 6. Try to not repost. Mistakes happen, we get it! But try to not repost anything from within the past 1-2 months.
~ 7. No General AI Art. Posts of simple AI art do not 'inspire jamaharon'
~ 8. No Political Upheaval. Political commentary is allowed, but please keep discussions civil. Read here for our community's expectations.
Fun will now commence.
Sister Communities:
Want your community to be added to the sidebar? Just ask one of our mods!
Creator Resources:
Looking for a Star Trek screencap? (TrekCore)
Looking for the right Star Trek typeface/font for your meme? (Thank you @kellyaster for putting this together!)
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Going off on a tangent here, I dislike it when people use that phrase "Jesus Christ!" like that. I get that religion has caused much of the evil in this world... (arguably less so than capitalism but... whatever!:-P), though that doesn't (shouldn't) matter. It demeans us to sink to that level, whatever our own personal thoughts are on the matter, and regardless of the particular target. / end of my Ted Talk here
And like, isn't that the meaning of Rule 1, where generally "othering" a group is a strong no-no (the chief one in fact, hence it appearing first)? Granted that religion is a choice unlike e.g. race or sexual preference, but even so? Jesus himself was an extremely chill dude - "Love Thy Neighbor" and all of that - so it's not his fault that after his death people later abuse his name to gain personal power, using it to do things like diddle children, which is vehemently NOT what "love thy neighbor" meant there!?!?!?!
Star Trek shows us a world where we can rise above all that:-). A famous person semi-recently said: "when they go low, we go high".
I have no love for religion when it has killed people in my community and when it has been used to spit hate in my face, as a gay man, on a constant basis throughout my life. I am certainly not going to be respecting one of their 10 Commandments in not taking the lords name in vain when they don't respect the commandments in loving thy neighbor. I do not respect a religion that does not respect me. It is as simple as that. This is a two way street and the oppressed and scapegoated minority is definitely not the one who should make the first move. Especially when "Do not take the lords name in vain" could be applied to a trillion other things, such as using the Lords name to justify support for a party of hateful bigots that stand antithetical to everything the bible claims Jesus to be. Wanna make clear, I'm talking about religion as a whole there and not specifically religious people. It's just hard to reconcile as a gay guy.
I wrote Rule 1, it doesn't really apply here because Jesus Christ is a generalized swear. It's not used as an anti-Christian epithet. It's not used as a form of hate speech in regards to the religion or the people who use it. It's an expression of extreme surprise. It wasn't used in regards to Christians or in specific to them. Didn't attack them, didn't question them, didn't refer to them. I said two words that have been used in this capacity for at least 200 years.
Lastly, the title is just quoting a movie. "Jesus Christ, it's Jason Bourne." And that's one of the primary reasons why I definitely don't care about using the phrase. There aren't really any protections for it in media outside of normal swearing. It's been adopted into the main stream as an expression of frustration. Religion has little to do with it anymore.
It certainly has done all that you said are more... religious fascists even killed Jesus himself, then others turned around to use him as a martyr for their own cause. Jesus the idea can be a bit like Santa Claus - it can mean whatever the fuck you want it to, especially if you can gain something (profits, power, gratification, etc.) as a result?
Regardless, I like how welcoming this community is. We can do yet still more though, to avoid "othering" half the people on planet earth? (Muslims also consider Jesus as one of the Holy Prophets, and similarly to Christianity makes up 1/4th-1/3rd of all people; Hindi is much more of a stretch but they too incorporate Jesus Christ into the pantheon of various "gods" and "avatars" and the like...; and too there are Mormons, who consider themselves Christians even while mainstream Christians do not in return, and on and on it goes - there really are a lot of people who at least claim to follow what Jesus says!)
Btw - you will enjoy this one, I think, even though it is not all that relevant to this discussion imho - that isn't what taking the lord's name in vain means. Mostly, as far as I've heard, that is "claiming his name" (calling yourself by a form of it?) yet denying all the great responsibility that comes with it. i.e., it is the very self-professed Christians who in the act of demeaning you ("treat others as you would wish to be treated in return"?), were the ones performing the very act of "taking HIS name", but "in vain". It's just a fucking swear man, not a commandment-breaker, don't sweat it:-).
That said, when I was growing up, the F-bomb (YOU KNOW WHICH ONE) was a generalized swear. It was also a short-form word for a cigarette? And on top of that, partially reclaimed by some within the target community, much as the N-word. Do you see how none of that matters? I had to expend SO MUCH effort to throw away my false religious roots (Will & Grace on TV helped so much with that:-P ngl I could not stand to watch it especially when 2 men kissed - I FORCED myself to watch, over and over again, to get past the idea that it was "not normal" or "unacceptable" or "morally wrong"). So please believe me when I say: that it made up a general swear for so long is nowhere near an excuse. Whatever THEY do is on them, while what WE do is on US. Yes, fuck religious Christo-fascists who instead of lifting a finger to help someone go extremely out of their way to heap heavy burdens upon other people (btw those are Jesus' very own words - in Matthew 23:4)... but regardless of the past, who have we decided to be, here, in this place, at this time?
If it's a direct quote from a movie... that actually might be a good counter-argument. Except wait a minute, if I used that argument in order to say the F-bomb word, or the N-word, would you (or the current mods I guess) allow me to get away with that then? Whether you/they did or did not, you should not, is what I am saying. Because it "others" people. See also my reply to the other comment below my prior reply.
You realize, of course, that you’re complaining about a use of language that is in fact most commonly used by Christian’s?
Hrm I did not know that but then all the more reason not to do it?
"Jesus Fucking Christ!" - just think about it for a moment, how is that "okay"? Perhaps when they do it one could arguably... no I can't see it even then. But I will think about it some more.
So, like, you’re acting like you’re being persecuted here.
this is not that.
It’s a simple fact that the majority of people using some form of “jesus” as an exclamation are Christians and they’re not being prejudicial towards themselves.
I am not going to obey your religious proscriptions. I’m certainly not going to be too bothered by it when you’re proscriptions are particularly rare, even among people who broadly share your faith.
If you want to be offended, that’s your problem. Insisting others modify their behavior is not appropriate. Especially since you’re equating it to “Christian’s are being killed.”
Fucking hell. You’re not being persecuted here. Probably not even wherever you are. And I’d be willing to bet you don’t know anyone who’s been killed because they were a Christian. Take a beat and chill.
I do not feel persecuted. I don't like seeing "others" get ragged on, regardless. I should clarify: individuals who deserve it absolutely should get railed on; the distinction is when the ragging moves above the stage of the individual and to an entire class of individuals. The literal definition of a bigot is "One who is narrow-mindedly devoted to their own ideas and groups, and intolerant of (people of) differing ideas, races, genders, religions, politics, etc." I did not make this definition up, nor it seems can I explain it to someone who does not want to know (as your hand-picking of some of my answers to directed questions, ignoring the larger context, would seem to to indicate: I know, reading is hard sometimes), so I will stop here. You may chalk it up to simply a misunderstanding or... whatever you like, I suppose.