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[–] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Yeah, fuck that guy. It's not fault my a third if the country fell for the propaganda, and a third of the country didn't care enough to even vote. I will not be held personally responsible for convincing all of the American voting populous to get their heads out of their asses.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's hard to blame the people who stayed home when disenfranchisement is an intended feature of your electoral system. The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter and a huge number cannot get time off on the weekday it is scheduled for.

If a full third of people stayed home, that's a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem. Your electoral system is completely captured by capital and you are stuck blaming the electorate.

Folks please: US corruption is not a cultural or personal issue, it is systemic. Power corrupts, not just people, but systems. The US has been at the head of the global hegemon for most of the last century, they have most of the billionaires, of course they are corrupt. That's where capitalists focus their efforts to get the most returns. It's not an accident that the guy doing DOGE just happened to be the richest man on the planet.

Maybe focus your energy there instead of on the people who have literally no power.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If only there were some way that the people could kind of ha e their say and direct lawmakers th address some of these problems. The people need to choose some kind of representative that propose and pursue these changes. Imagine if you could just kind of "poll" the will of the people and add up everyone's choices to choose a representative.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter

If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem.

You understand that in a two party system, these two statements are basically incompatible?

Especially when you consider that we have early voting starting a month before the election, along with mail-in voting being available in nearly every state. If you didn't vote, it's because you didn't want to vote, not because you couldn't vote. Yes, some degree of civic participation is expected, welcome to being an adult.

Someone commented just a few days ago that voting blue in OK was pointless. I brought up some stats that if every one of the non-voters in OK had voted in the last election, Kamala could have carried the state with 200k people to spare.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If all of the people who stayed home would have been kamala voters then it sounds like she failed to inspire them to vote. It sounds like she lost an election.

Yes, if an unprecedented, impossible turnout occurred then dems might've won, but that's not actually a strategy, that's fantasy. Assuming there isn't some level of divine intervention, then people are right that their vote doesn't matter, because this is the real world where we already know a plurality of people don't vote.

It's almost like voter disenfranchisement works.

I don't know why liberals can't get this basic concept: if electoralism is meaningful at all, then the electorate cannot be wrong.

If the electorate voted "wrong" then your democracy doesn't do what it claims to, it does not represent the people. <- this is actually the correct answer btw

Blaming the electorate achieves nothing.

The electorate didn't fail the dems, the dems failed the electorate.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s almost like voter disenfranchisement works.

It only "works" because the individual voter did not vote.

Blaming the electorate achieves nothing.

IMHO, it achieves a lot more than voting 3rd party.

The electorate didn’t fail the dems, the dems failed the electorate.

The electorate failed themselves. They listened to Russian propaganda about Kamla killing babies in Palestine. They fell for republicans fantasies of red strongholds so tough that Democrats shouldn't even bother voting. They fell for the general apathy about their choice sown by foreign assets and transmitted like a fucking online mind virus.

All I can say is; They may not have voted for trump, but they definitely voted for this.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You live in a different universe where talk matters more than actions and individual voters have more power than the systems and people that consistently screw them over.

That's not a gap I can bridge.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

A lot of words to say "I'm wrong but I can't admit it."

[–] MrNobody@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Look, I get it. You are mad too, that trump is bringing you all down. However, this isn't just a trump thing. This isn't just a now thing. This is something that has been going on for decades, maybe even longer than most of us have been alive. The US is known for being arrogant, ignorant, prideful, and idiotic. Most non-americans have talked to americans online over the years and likely tried to explain what is wrong with their country, healthcare, pay, racism, nationalism etc. Most likely have been met with 'hate us causee they aint us', 'better dead than red'. 'USA USA USA', or some other prideful bullshit.

For decades you lot have all looked down on the rest of world, assuming you are doing the best, because you are born in the best country in the universe, raised the best way possible, pledging you allegiance to your flags, drinking up the nationalistic propaganda. For decades. And now, this trump shit has made the rest of the world say, nah fam we don't like this. And you all have the gall to say. Its not us, dont blame us, we didn't do it.

Like shit. You guys made the bed, and have been making the bed for decades. Just because it's been shat in now doesn't mean you didn't make it.

Grow up, accept that, deal with it. Get your shit in order, fix it.

Maybe then. In a few decades when the world can see you've fixed all systemic problems they might accept you again. Maybe.