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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Copyright has not, was not intended to, and does not currently, pay artists.

Wrong in all points.

Copyright has paid artists (though maybe not enough). Copyright was intended to do that (though maybe not that alone). Copyright does currently pay artists (maybe not in your country, I don't know that).

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Wrong in all points.

No, actually, I'm not at all. In-fact, I'm totally right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhBpI13dxkI

Copyright originated create a monopoly to protect printers, not artists, to create a monopoly around a means of distribution.

How many artists do you know? You must know a few. How many of them have received any income through copyright. I dare you, to in good faith, try and identify even one individual you personally know, engaged in creative work, who makes any meaningful amount of money through copyright.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 22 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I know several artists living off of selling their copyrighted work, and no one in the history of the Internet has ever watched a 55 minute YouTube video someone linked to support their argument.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Cool. What artist?

Edit because I didn't read the second half of your comment. If you are too up-your-own ass and anti-intellectual to educate yourself on this matter, maybe just don't have an opinion.

[–] Leavingoldhabits@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I know quite a few people who rely on royalties for a good chunk of their income. That includes musicians, visual artists and film workers.

Saying it doesn’t exist seems very ignorant.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Leavingoldhabits@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Any experienced union film director, editor, DOP, writer, sound designer comes to mind (at least where I’m from)

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Cool. Name one. A specific one that we can directly reference, where they themselves can make that claim. Not a secondary source, but a primary one. And specifically, not the production companies either, keeping in mind that the argument that I'm making is that copyright law, was intended to protect those who control the means of production and the production system itself. Not the artists.

The artists I know, and I know several. They make their money the way almost all people make money, by contracting for their time and services, or through selling tickets and merchandise, and through patreon subscriptions: in other words, the way artists and creatives have always made their money. The "product" in the sense of their music or art being a product, is given away practically for free. In fact, actually for free in the case of the most successful artists I know personally. If they didn't give this "product" of their creativity away for free, they would not be able to survive.

There is practically 0 revenue through copyright. Production companies like Universal make money through copyright. Copyright was also built, and historically based intended for, and is currently used for, the protection of production systems: not artists.

[–] Leavingoldhabits@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

I don’t know where you are, but here in Norway, people tend to get paid when their work is used for commercial or entertainment purposes.

Of course, very few can live off of royalties alone, but a lot of artists get a considerable amount income from their previous works.

(Edited in total, I matched the anger I felt from what I was answering to, and decided to moderate)

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

So you can't name one. Got it.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You forgot to link a legitimate source.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

A lecture from a professional free software developer and activist whose focus is the legal history and relevance of copyright isn't a legitimate source? His website: https://questioncopyright.org/promise/index.html

The anti-intelectualism of the modern era baffles me.

Also, he's on the fediverse!

kfogel.org

@kfogel@kfogel.org

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

YouTube is not a legitimate source. The prof is fine but video only links are for the semi literate. It is frankly rude to post a minor comment and expect people to endure a video when a decent reader can absorb the main points from text in 20 seconds.