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[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My favorite way to connect people with academia is pointing out how recently zero was invented because even the most reluctant “I don’t know math” person understands zero these days.

[–] ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you really understand zero? I mean, I get what it represents, but I still sometimes struggle to understand its usage...like, you can’t divide with zero thats for sure, but did you know you can divide a number with a really small number (like an infinitely small number) and you get a really large number (like infinitely large)? So, in that special space, if you suddenly replace “0” with a “number-so-close-to-zero-it-can-smell-it” feel free to divide and conquer, and get infinity.

Oh, and sometimes, if you feel like math is letting you down, remember, you can always use positive and negative zeroes, so your math-thing can now work!

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I don't understand why you can't divide by zero.

If you turn it into a word problem 10/1 could be stated as "If you have 10 things and put them in a bucket, how many things do you have in the bucket?"

10/2 becomes "If you have 10 things, and and put an equal amount of them in two different buckets, how many things are in each bucket?"

So, wouldn't 10/0 become "If you have 10 things, and don't put any of them into the bucket, how many things are in the bucket?"

I'm bad at math, go easy on me.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

The fact that there's no buckets means that you can't then usefully draw any further conclusions about the ratio of buckets to things. In your first two examples we can take the results and use them to work out further things like how much might the buckets weigh, what happens if we add more buckets or more things, etc.

In the divide by zero answer, we know nothing about the buckets, and the number of things becomes meaningless. But worse of all is that it's easy to hide this from the unwary, which is why you occasionally see "proofs" online that 1=2, which rely on hiding divide-by-zero operations behind some sneaky algebra.

When we say we "can't" divide by zero, we mean ok you can divide by zero, but you'll get a useless answer that leaves you at a mathematical dead end. Infinity isn't reversible, or even strictly equal to itself.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I think I get it, thanks for taking the time to explain.

With 10/2 there are two buckets, and 10/1 there is 1, so with 10/0 I was wrong to phrase it as there is a 'bucket with nothing in it', it should be 'there is no bucket, so you can't put anything in the bucket, even if you wanted to.' Right?