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Well for two reasons:

1. When someone makes a blanket statement calling an entire group of people "racist fucks", I don't think any amount of reasoning will change their mind.
2. The second half of their comment was "No one takes them seriously". Now that is a point I am willing to debate. When a political group controls roughly 20% of the elected seats in the state house and they have legislative victories to point to, I don't think it's fair to say that no one takes them seriously.

Okay fine. We can discuss it more if you want...

The intent of the quote in both my example and yours is to say "don't bow to a king". In my case, the King of England, in your case the Penn Family. You are correct that the way it was expressed in your context was a state legislator refusing to give a prominent family a tax break. In my case a refusal to accept terms to maintain status as a British colony. Either way, the intent of the quote is to not give up your liberty for a false sense of security.

I think the "No Kings" interpretation is a good one, given the recent No Kings pretests in the US, eh?

You shared your interpretation and I shared mine. I don't know how going in circles benefits anyone.

Well, we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. 🙂

Thanks! This post went much further down the comment rabbit hole than I expected!

My interest in posting on Lemmy is to educate people on the liberty movement in New Hampshire (which cannot be done effectively with insults). It's either not known, or there is a lot of misinformation. People think it ended with the Free Town Project, but it has grown 10x since then.

He said it several times. For instance, he said it when the British Crown offered their protection and self-governance in exchange for not declaring independence from Britain.

https://oll.libertyfund.org/quotes/benjamin-franklin-on-the-trade-off-between-essential-liberty-and-temporary-safety-1775

Lex Berezhny and Don McFarlane .
Both are members of the Liberty Caucus! 😀