sp3ctr4l

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh you replied quickly, I may have still been cleaning up the formatting.

Either way: =D

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

A sales tax is 100% a regressive tax.

What that means is a poor person loses way more of their own income to a sales tax then a rich person loses.

Example:

Poor person has 20k a year, spends 300 (before taxes) a month in groceries, thats 3600 a year.

Say the sales tax is 10%. Ok, that is 360/20000.

1.8% of a poor person's income goes to just tax on groceries a year.

Ok, now someone who makes 80k spends the same amount on groceries.

360/80000 = 0.45% of their income goes toward grocery sales taxes.

Thus the tax burden of a sales tax hits poorer people harder than richer people.

A progressive tax, like most income taxes... well the taxed amount increases as your income increases, so this is basically reversed: a richer person is taxed more in absolute terms than a poor person.

...

A high sales tax does not stimulate rich people to buy more.

All it does is mean poor people buy much less, and rich people buy slightly less, thus shifting the demographic of people buying things.

Whoever told told you that a high sales tax... stimulates rich spending... is economically illiterate, as in, they'd flunk an AP Micro course or a first year of a 4 year degree... that is absolute nonsense.

All it does is filter out the poors, who now have a dramtically tighter budget than the rich, and make it seem like only rich people are coming into your store... because poor people stopped coming in.

Could a Sales Tax be Progressive?

Theoretically, you could have a progressive sales tax... but that would realistically require all POS sales sytems to also pull your income when you swipe a debit or credit card.

Its not totally impossible to do this, but it would be quite complicated to implement, you'd have privacy issues, data security issues, smaller business owners would have to foot a disproportionate cost as compared to large businesses to upgrade their systems... how do you handle cash transactions, id verification, etc.

To my knowledge, no such system has ever been implemented in the US... or possibly anywhere, at a large scale.

Bonus! Property Taxes:

Property taxes vary much more locally and regionally, with many more possible complicating factors.

Basically, some government system or process estimates the value of your home as if you tried to sell it on the market, that year.

Then taxes are applied to that estimated value.

But... lots of governments do the value estimation part in ways that are both absurdly complicated and often quite out of step with actual the actual market, and there are often complex rules determining what triggers a new valuation or when it occurs.

Usually property taxes themselves, once your property value is assesed, are a flat rate based on the assesed value.

So... that too is a regressive tax, that effectively punishes less wealthy property owners more than wealthier property owners...

But there are so manh caveats and complications to any given city or county or state's local property tax laws that it can vary quite significantly.

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thank you for coming to my ted talk lol

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Fuck, that sounds awesome!

I used to have a set up like that, though it was wired, not wireless. I'd just haul the rig out to the living room lol, had a fairly small and light pc, so it wasn't too much work, did cable management to make the transitioning easier.

Also somewhat related... I was just talking with another person who was unable to get that level of quality, resolution and frame rate via streaming their PC to their living room TV... also they mentioned input latency with very fast paced and fine tuned racing games.

You mind if I ask how you're actually doing the streaming?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I meant it jokingly, meta referencing the toxicity of the entire 'real gamer' elitist nonsense.

You are still a real gamer to me lol.

Though I genuinely would suggest you play Ocarina of Time, if you can.

You say you're a PC gamer? Yesterday I was in a Nintendo Switch 2 / Steam Deck discussion, and I just set up an emulator and am running the 3ds OoT remaster at 60 fps!

(Somebody just asked 'hey can you run 3ds games on a Switch? So I just... did it, and reported back lol)

If I can do that on a Deck, you can do it on a PC =D

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It doesn't come off as snarky at all, no worries!

Genuienly... Like, I myself am autistic, and I'm willing to bet a whole lot of other data scientist type technical data sets type careerists either are as well, or are close.

What I'm trying to say is: It is genuienly difficult to be both well versed enough in the math and data... and at the same time have the requisite communication skills to present a whole lot of complex data in a way that people with less expertise can understand easily... while also at the same time not over generalizing so much that you are actually giving a just flat out false description or misleading metaphor.

I appreciate your summary of what I wrote in the last post.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My only quibble is: Great Depression 2.0, not Great Recession 2.0.

This will be much, much worse than 07 08 09.

Also IMO absolutely yes, Obama should have let the US auto industry collapse if they didn't accept being completely nationalized.

Play stupid games, win stuoid prizes.

Thats how capitalism works, right, right?

Oh wait no, its actually uh, bribe politicians to subsidize your inefficient and mismanaged business, and then also fund a bunch of PR to convince people that... that isn't happening, that isn't your business model.

Instead we got basically this situation where US auto mfctrs are stupendously subsidized by the US gov... yet have no accountability to it in terms of high level, long term business strategy.

That lead to all of C Suite just chasing as much profit as possible by basically just saying... fuck making a reliable cheapish car, everything is now a luxury priced giganto sized pavement princess with horrendous maintenance problems.

If they'd accepted being nationalized, well then at least we would have kept actual ownership domestic, and the GAO could have just done audits on these entire companies and then everyone would know where all the mismanagement was going on. ..

Same thing with Boeing. Boeing is massively subsidized, is a near text book perfect example of how to do regulatory capture, and wow what a surprise, it was run in a manner to maximize balance sheets at the loss of fundamental ability to actually deliver a reliable product.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 weeks ago

Yep.

Concentrate wealth accumulation upward, socializes lossss downward.

Except this time the strategy is so fucking bad that it may very well bankrupt the state and just destroy its whole economy, which will ultimately lead to massive losses for many of the rich folks as well.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

I didn't go into in the main post but yeah, US domestic air travel is down as well, which is a pretty good indicator domestic tourism is also down.

... Also, they want to just generally raise the sales tax, with the idea that this will mostly tax tourists.

But... theres no actual ... mechanism, to differentiate between a local resident sales tax and an out of state or international tourist sales tax.

... So what they want to do is bail out the already wealthier property owners, on the backs of the already poor non property owners, who pay much more of their income toward sales taxes than to property taxes.

It is literally rob the poor to prop up the idiot home and condo owners and corporations with mortgages they can't afford because they thought the housing bubble would never pop.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It is not a measure of public sentiment.

That'd be like a consumer confidence measure, something that just polls the general public.

The fear and greed index is based off of technical measurements of various active markets.

Very broadly, it is telling you whether or not the financial class, investors, stock traders, corporations significantly involved in that, your 401k managers... are acting fearful or greedy.

A middling score close to 50 basically represents 'reasonable, stable growth'.

Extreme fear means market participants are acting like a significant stock/bond downturn either is occuring or about to occur.

Extreme greed means market participants are acting like a huge upswing in stocks and bonds are occuring and will be maintained in the future.

You're right that extreme greed isn't a good thing, as it usually means a whole bunch of irresponsible financial bets are being made, that will later pop, and crash.

At the same time, extreme fear is also bad... because it basically is that crash occuring.

Maybe think of it kind of like some value you get back from your blood work.

There's a generally accepted 'average' value that means you are stable, healthy.

Then, there is a range of higher and lower values that are... relatively normal, within reasonable, expected variations.

Then, there are extreme values, way outside the acceptable range, either way too high or way to low, and now its time for your doctor to start looking at treatment options.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (14 children)

Quite literally, as this is going on, Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida is trying to convince everyone in the state that it would be a really good idea to just... massively reduce, if not entirely get rid of property taxes.... and base government revenue off of higher sales taxes... on tourists.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2025/04/01/ron-desantis-sales-property-tax-relief-florida-homeowners-plan/82753401007/

Florida is ... almost certainly the US state with the highest proportion of its economy/tax revenue ... tied to tourism.

I struggle to comprehend this level of stupidity, to the point that I am more inclined to believe DeSantis is just trying to make himself king of a rapidly economically declining and literally sinking fiefdom.

Agriculture and fishing? scared all the immigrants away.

Tourism? tanking.

Property values? also tanking.

Property insurance? fleeing the state, no more mortgages.

Uh uh what do what do?

Tax break!

If Dems get the epithet 'tax and spend', Reps get the epithet 'Slash and burn'.

What a fucking moron.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

... Isn't that almost exactly the same thing Vivek Ramiswamy did?

Started or bought a biotech firm, literally got his own mother to conduct a 'study', concluding a drug in development worked and had potential, when in fact everyone knew it was bullshit, then he sold all his shares before larger studies concluded more publically that the drug was indeed bullshit?

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