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This propagandist is even copy and pasting the same NATO glazing on this reported event now, although it‘s off-topic.

Yo, hotzplotzn, ever thought about doing something good for humanity with your life? Maybe a job that‘s not agitating against perceived western adversaries? Maybe something that‘s not furthering the division of society or the aspired militarization of western nations?

The choice is not between defence or welfare. Europe can afford both, and must.

Now that‘s cute, two professors advocating for the importance of social programs. I mean, in their frame of reference they are right. You know what‘s the problem? That this isn‘t reality. It‘s wishful thinking, it‘s a plea to the men in power. In reality social programs are being dismantled. But you know the trend, stop being so dishonest.

You fail to make a point.

On the other hand, (…) leave Europe with no choice other than defend itself.

For one, the post has nothing to do with Russia or NATO, it‘s not mentioned or hinted at in the article. You are the one screeching about Russia in an attempt to justify and whitewash western militarization every chance you get.

Then, you know, I know, we know, that there‘s an absolutely valid geopolitical analysis, that the West is the actual aggressor here (and almost everwhere else). And I mean actual, material analysis, not that kind of dumb fuck mass spamming of hate towards others, be it China or Russia, that you do all day … by chance exclusively the two nations directly opposed to western hegemony.

So, not sure how misleading my remarks are, especially in direct comparison with what you are doing all day long. I have a bias, true. So do you. Or are you telling us, that you are spewing objective truth? Because I am not favoring Russia‘s takes, I‘m not denying bad stuff that‘s being done, but I do oppose the Western narrative. You do favor the Western narrative and take every opportunity to post something malign about Russia or China, doesn‘t matter if true or not. So in that, I might even be less biased, than you are. Wouldn‘t you agree?

Btw, do you get paid for this kind of social media engagement? I mean, it‘s literally all you do, spamming western propaganda. Because if you don’t, then IMO your posting behaviour indicates, that you probably should go outside, touch some grass. Or at least expand your political horizons a bit in order to not be so overtly …

… misleading and biased.

Oh my, really? That is noteworthy! Almost a third! Then we should immediately start spending 5 % of our GDP on the global north‘s military industrial complex in order to make all these super cool things (non-traditional, yet still further militarization) you mentioned possible, too! 

In Germany for example, that‘s only about 48 % of the whole federal budget. Absolutely the right thing to focus on, making sure capital can do capitalist things without being interfered with by mere peasants and further expand their imperial aspirations. 

Fuck social programs, fuck infrastructure, fuck climate, fuck migrants, fuck accountability for the rich. We need to make sure, that profits are being made, in this case likely for the already richest man in the world. Cool cool.

It‘s so good to have your back, when it comes to ~~propaganda~~ gaining the right mindset, thanks! An honest, principled defender of what‘s good and what‘s right in this horrible world, riddled by evil adversaries against our cause!

So, for someone like you — with your existence‘s sole focus on posting only explicit anti-China or anti-Russia content, and often of questionable quality — what exactly do you mean, when you call someone a ‚tankie‘? Where in this post is that full force and what did this force do? Do you only use the word as a smear against unaligned voices or critics? How do you describe your role in this community — western propagandist? Or is that too upfront?

Just a reminder, that Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty are in fact US-funded, state owned media outlets.

Typical leftist not understanding what winning looks like.

it is really bloody stupid to claim that it is "worse then nothing"

Not sure where to go from here, as you frame your whole comment like that and through that deconstruct any veneer of seriousness you thought you might have. 

Nothing of what I said is untrue and I also assured you, that I understand your angle and laid out reasons for why I disagree with your conclusion.

But your reaction is repeating your point, ignoring the arguments laid out and adding a bit of ridicule. Really, fabulous substance.

I even agree with you, that what you proclaim as a win has a small potential to end up having a positive effect in some fictional future.

What I‘m saying is that using that possibility as foundation to call that a win (for whom, anyway? Surely not for the Palestinians) or to feel some kind of relief, because it emits that appearance that yes, finally, something has been done, is naive. 

Although, with candidates like you, I also have to wonder, if it‘s really naivety or rather malice.

There is no working mechanism to hold any lying politician accountable through the nature of them having used the morally bad thing called „lie“. It really does not matter if Merz lies. Merz is a deeply insincere person, anyway, always was. How „really fucking stupid“ is it, to think that his dishonesty is a „win“, sorely because of the mere possibility, that he could end up looking like a liar. lol.

If Merz actually stopped anything, then you would have a case. What happened until now, is political maneuvering to appease the critical populus. It‘s cute that you feel like that‘s a win, I‘m saddened by your ignorance to actually call this a win.

But winning seems to be a very important aspect of your inner workings, so w/e. Have a good day.

That‘s, ya, I get what you are saying, but that‘s not a conclusion that you can claim today. It‘s really not guaranteed, like you hope. It also doesn‘t matter now, since what Merz implied is not at all, what actually happens; every possible backdoor is still open and every shipment is still being done, which in reality will further aid Israel with its genocide and therefore Germany persists in being complicit.

But what it does in reality is giving supporters of said genocide another talking point to deflect responsibility away from the German state. And it gives the regime the talking point, that it „has done something“. Although, it really hasn‘t.

And it gives people like you another reason to rationalize genocidal complicity.

Meanwhile, flights from German airports (Leipzig/Halle) continue to deliver armaments to Israel on a daily basis and forces workers to also become complicit in genocide, because it‘s not being made transparent what kind of stuff they‘re handling and as wage slaves they have little recurse against that, even if they become aware of it. They need to organise and shut down these operations, just like port workers all over europe have done already. Merz won‘t support that.

Action is needed now, stop fantasizing about future political plot twists. Humans are being slaughtered daily, and Germany remains an active participant.

It‘s not, because it‘s nothing more than a lie to calm down public sentiment. In effect, nothing changes. It‘s worse than nothing.

Europeans generated their wealth by robbing it from the colonies, by subjugating the local indiginous population, forcing their religion on them, destroying their culture, enslaving them to extract ressources. But they didn‘t bother to bring any of their achievements for the locals to enjoy, just extraction, sucking them dry under brute force.

Apart from that, progressive policies such as same-sex marriage didn‘t just come into fruition, because Europeans are such a cool bunch, this kind of progress had to be fought for by the minorities themselves. And it will be taken away again the further capitalism falls into it’s natural crisis named fascism; see trans rights / DEI in the US or just have a look at far right talking points surging in Europe also.

Every-fucking-thing is the fault of Europeans. You really don‘t have to take it personally, tho. You as an individual are not at fault. But the level of your own ignorance lies in your own hands.

The point is, comparing European cultural progress with that of their plundered colonies is one of the most disingeniuous and chauvinist things you can do. Don‘t be that guy.

Here you go, fishing for trigger words. I‘m certain you know some of the accusations already, but for a myriad of reasons never seriously engaged with them. But you do seem to like making fun of the people bringing them up.

So, tell me, where are your doubts or holes in your own narrative and I might be willing to provide you with a vantage point from my perspective, so as a result we actually can have a sincere exchange. 

Until now, tho, I haven‘t gotten the impression, that you are asking in good faith and I‘m unwilling to enter debate bro territory.

Anyway, I answered OPs (rhetorical) question with well enough key words for you to start your own little reading endeavor. You don‘t need to be scared to become a tankie for actually reading stuff that‘s not western mainstream, since that „angle“ is supported by actual American scholars and journalists, already (if that makes it more approachable for you).

Alright, there‘s no „questioning Ukraine‘s sovereignty“ by deadnaming it from my side. I already started leaving the „the“ out from other comments, so thanks for the English lesson, I appreciate it.

I forgot nothing, tho, I was rather describing a valid political analysis that offers an answer to OP‘s question, and the only one as it stands. It‘s a starting point, of course not the complete story.

There‘s also no gotcha to be had. Concluding with „Russia bad“, because they invaded Ukraine is, although true as a statement of fact, dishonest and overly simplistic. Downplaying or downright whitewashing the role of the USA is … lacking, at best.