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The next election is the mechanism that makes them fulfill the promises they’ve made during their campaign

Why are you saying this? Who's the target audience of this bs? What makes you say that if it's demonstrably false? Elected politicians don't keep their promises, they just don't.

If your politicians aren’t afraid of losing the next election

Is Trump scared to loose the next election?

what is wrong with me hiring someone to hire more people?

It's perfectly fine, but unrelated to the question at hand. You don't hire politicians.

What is your counterargument other than “no”?

"No" is actually a stronger argument than yours bc you're making a positive statement here and the burden of proof is on you.

You can’t own people, you never did, what are you trying to ask here?

I dunno. I guess your initial analogy was shit that explained nothing. Don't use analogies then.

You can simplify where you can, but as technology advances it gets more complex to manufacture

And according to you, socialism is necessary for further technological advances. Why? How come we managed to have technological advances without socialism for 99% of human history?

As for quality of life metrics, things like literacy rates and life expectancies, home ownership and mortality rates

So as I said, arbitrary bs socialists deem important.

The Catholic Church should not determine this as they do not base their beliefs in known material reality.

I understand that you have different gods. Catholics have Jesus and socialists have material reality. But that's just your opinion, man.

I am fairly certain that you’re a troll, though, so I don’t see much point in continuing this.

Sorry for not accepting socialist dogmas unquestionably.

Through elections

Umm, no. Elected politicians can do whatever tf they want. There's no legal mechanism to make them fulfill the promises they made during their campaign.

That we elected

Not to mention that elected politicians aren't controlled by the people, most of the government positions aren't elected.

Through democracy

Democracy is when Government is owned by people. People own government through democracy. Great argument.

If I ask a friend to water my plants, do I no longer own the plants?

If you ask government to persecute people who break the law, do you no longer own people who break the law?

What's a complexity of production? Why do we want to progress in complexity of production? Shouldn't we be trying to reduce complexity? And who defines the "key quality of life metrics"? If socialists define those, then surely socialism is necessary to improve those metrics. But I guess different people can have different metrics. Catholic Church, for example, may take the percentage of people going to heaven after death as a key quality of life metric. In this case, socialism would be absolutely devastating for quality of life.

There's no path forward. We are not moving forward. That's just socialist progressivist belief. Some believe in Buddha, some believe in Allah, socialists believe in path forward.

And OF COURSE socialism is the only path forward according to socialism. Who would've thought.

Lisa is trying to sell socialism to people under the pretext of "all people work together", greater good for all mankind and other fairytales. She's just feeding them propaganda. Fuck Lisa.

No wtf. Democracy is state that holds elections. Wtf is "owned and controlled by the people"? How are people supposed to control the government? The government is controlled by govt officials. Common people don't control shit. How can a government be owned by people? Is government even a property that can be owned? That doesn't make any sense.

How is democracy related to ownership?

No. "Socialized medicine" is not "people owning the means of production"

"All classes working together" is called capitalism