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I agree with outrage. I don’t agree with violence as a reaction though.

Who called for violence as a reaction? Anyways, it doesn't seem like this guy is likely to come quietly when the cops find him, so I do have to wonder what you think the cops should do if he is armed and refuses to negotiate or surrender? Some level of violence may just end up being the correct reaction. We shall see.

Be sure let us know how your FBI interview goes after they read this thread.

Uh, OK. I'll stay by the phone.

I never said it was a both sides problem

I can do that to. I never said that you said it was a both sides problem. You just presented it that way and made no effort to avoid that interpretation.

republicans are hoping for a violent uprising. Because they outnumber you and are trained better than you.

They outnumber me personally? Sure, I'm just one guy. Outnumber the left? LOL, not a chance. Better trained? I kinda doubt it. They might be better at some things, but those chuds can't plan their way out of a wet paper bag.

If people couldn't even be bothered enough to do something easy like rise up and vote

Gosh, I wonder why that is. Just imagine what would be coming from the right of it were two Republican Senators. Whatever you are imagining, I'm pretty sure you know it would be passionate. Meanwhile Democrats are giving the same old bloodless speeches that sound like they were worked on by a dozen consultants before being handed to a talking head with instructions to "add pause and a couple of tears here". Then they hand it off to a newscaster who laments about how "polarized" politics has become. Democrats have no passion, and that is why they lose.

"Now, I know they are killing us now, but we really should stop to consider if leftists might be a little violent too". Yep, that's exactly why Democrats consistently fail to inspire anyone.

you think they are suddenly gonna join in on a violent mob uprising against the government?

Um, no? Why on earth would you assume I think that?

This violence is the answer mindset is exactly what this shooter had.

Oh, you've met him? When did I say violence is the answer?

The comment in question pulled a "both sides" on an issue that is beyond overwhelmingly coming from the right side of the spectrum.

Two Democratic state Senators were just brutally attacked, and at least one killed. That's not the time for Democrats to introspect, it's a time to be outraged.

Drawing some kind of similarity between internet commenters wishing a conservative assassin had succeeded in killing Trump, and a (almost certainly) right wing chud actually assassinating two Democratic Senators is bullshit. Political violence in this country comes almost entirely one direction. Pretending otherwise just blunts that reality and makes future attacks all the more likely.

Just to refresh memories, the assassination attempts on Trump were done by people with right wing backgrounds.

I just got back from a peaceful "No Kings" protest in Illinois, and aright wing chud waving a Trump flag swerved his oversized SUV right onto the shoulder in front of some protesters. This is not a both sides problem.

Exactly. There is no such thing as a labor shortage, only activities that people don't think are worth the cost.

if we currently had stricter gun control

The original comment I responded to was "let's not act like a gun control zealot is what the US "left" needs right now". Right now, we don't have those stricter gun control laws, so your theoretical universe with the slippery slope is irrelevant. This is a race for NY Mayor, and Mamdani is exactly what we need right now.

Gun control isn't disarming everyone.

Hogg and others should form a shadow DNC (DSC?) as an organization with the goal of primarying weak Democrats. I've been done donating to the DNC for years, but I'd jump right on board with the DSC.

Absolutely true and entirely useless on a national scale right now. FPTP is what we have and it's the system in which we must elect candidates who will move us to a better system. Primaries are where the game has to be played right now, and for that we need to kill the notion that loyal Democrats shouldn't criticize sitting Democrats.

Portland is not politically typical. It can be a model, but it has to be a model for political culture before it can be a model for how to enact a better voting system.

It most definitely is not convenient. The establishment is plagued by weakness and committed to maintaining that culture.

While I'm arguing this, I'm also arguing against a 3rd party edgelord. It's really hard to say who is more insane, people who want to go 3rd party in a FPTP system, or people who think the Democratic establishment is competent at running elections.

VBNMW is cringe to a whole lot more people than just "anarchists". It doesn't just speak to voter participation, it speaks to a sense of entitlement that Democratic politicians have. It reminds me of Hillary's "It's her turn" slogan.

Democrats are, in almost every situation, the better choice. Political junkies know that, but most people aren't political junkies. We criticize the Democratic sense of entitlement because we know how it comes off to regular voters. It's political malpractice to constantly display that kind of entitlement. That slogan needs to die.