SirEDCaLot

Hitler was defeated by being nice to him

In that sense you're right- some people only understand and respect force, and the only way to stop them is to use force against them. The analogy of Hitler might be compared to hardened criminals- being nice to a criminal won't stop them from victimizing you.

This is a different battle though. The small % of racists who want to burn minorities' houses down, they must be met with force.

Force doesn't win hearts and minds though. Force is intertwined with fear- 'if you do xxx, force will be used against you'. So it might stop some church burnings, but it doesn't stop racism. Force doesn't win 'hearts and minds'. Force doesn't convince a racist that they were wrong. It might make them too afraid to speak up, but it doesn't win them over, and they will only take their message underground, where it will thrive.

Can you point to some other times in history where the threat of being beaten up has been effective in eradicating an ideology?

I can point to plenty of instances where driving an ideology underground only fuels its growth...

And look at the simple logic of it- if the guy in the big KKK hood says 'the establishment doesn't want you to acknowledge this' and he then gets beaten up by mainstream majority people, you've just proved him right in the eyes of a would-be follower.

It's like if you found someone who knows nothing about astronomy, and told them 'today the sun will rise at 7:15am and set at 5:43pm, and the moon is mostly made of bleu cheese' you've predicted two things correctly so that gives you credibility when they consider the 3rd.
If I said that to you, you'd say 'you looked that up on Google, anyone can do that, and it's well known the moon is made of rock'. But you are knowledgeable about astronomy (on a basic level at least).

This works with the KKK person because chances are the KKK person has had limited or no actual contact and understanding with black people. So he sees news reports of inner city black people doing crimes and it becomes easy to convince him black people are somehow inferior. And 'THEY don't want you to know the truth' is a powerful message for someone already interested in counterculture / dislike of the mainstream.

That's why Daryl Davis is effective- he sits down with the racist, who has a mental image of what a 'black person' is, and he's not that. It's like putting you on a rocket and flying you out to the moon and saying 'okay we're here, where's the cheese?'

And that's why violence ISN'T effective- because the racist is expecting violence, so being violent only reinforces their belief.

I think we need both of these —punching Nazis and talking with them to change their views.

Can you explain to me how punching Nazis works to reduce Naziism and racism? What is the mechanism of action? Like how specifically does getting punched make someone less racist?

That is a genuine question and I'd love an answer.

I personally believe that punching racists only creates more hatred. The racist will be angry at the one who punched him, and thus less open to anti-racist messaging.

I general, I agree 100%.

There's an exception for Remedy though. They have a strong track record of not releasing underwhelming unfinished crap.

Why?

Because 90% of consumers don't give a fuck what's in their food. They buy whatever is on the shelf and eat it without a second thought. And the government doesn't regulate such things much, so the EU version of something has 5 ingredients and the US version has 20 and most of those 90% never read the list.

The next 5% would like to eat better but are burned out. It's fucking hard, because every other 'natural' 'healthy' product is the same shit just a little bit less son. I'm in this group. I can't tell you how many times I buy something that looks natural and healthy only to realize it's the same chemical shit just in a different 'healthy looking' package.
I don't drink soda though. Probably 95% of what I drink is water, the rest is some variant of coffee or tea.

The last 5% are the ones who really pay attention- who still check every ingredient, who spend a bunch of time cooking regularly, who buy mostly organic products or natural foods (which are significantly more expensive). Most of these people don't drink soda anyway no matter how it's sweetened so soda companies don't bother with them.

Right, suspicious. Suspicious doesn't mean guilty, that's not enough to convict someone in court.

Okay that's fair.

Also the Super Size Me guy did the mcdonalds mold test- the burgers all decayed, the fries didn't decay at all.

Taking a bus isn't a crime. And if you don't have the files on the computer, or the backpack full of evidence, all you have is a guy who's acting a little suspicious and looks like the guy in the video.

I'm saying he was smart enough to do this, and to evade authorities for 3 days, but dumb enough to be caught with a backpack full of evidence and the files on his computer. I'm not sure that adds up in my opinion.

I think that's called conflict exhaustion. You're sick of fighting, sick of holding your nose and respecting things and people you find repugnant, while there's little/no serious progress in your direction, it seems like there's more racism and hatred than ever. So part of you is ready to set the world on fire if it gets rid of MAGA and all the thinly veiled (or not so thinly veiled) racism and intolerance.

Just keep in mind that the dark wolf actually serves those nazi punks. Punching them only makes them stronger.

and not even good for you

Dude, soda isn't 'not good' for you. It's fucking toxic. Corn sugar makes you fat and screws up your metabolism, added caffeine is addictive, and the rest is just an artificial chemical bath that rots you from the inside out.

There was a lawsuit a while back, a dude sued claiming he found a dead mouse in his can of soda. Pepsi's defense was that in the amount of time between when that particular can was bottled and when he drank it, the soda would have completely dissolved the mouse. They won the lawsuit.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/2012/01/pepsi-says-mountain-dew-can-dissolve-mouse-carcasses/333399/

And that's what you are drinking..

Play it out with your mind.

Police arrest a guy who matches the picture but without the backpack full of evidence have no proof that he is the guy. After 3 days his lawyer demands they let him go. End of story.