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I do apologize for that edit, I did so at the same time that you responded.

And for the record, I do have a lot of respect for you. It's just frustrating how you blame people to your left for the failings of a rigidly centrist party.

I thought we were arguing over feelings?

Besides, I'm using the stuff you provided— MAGA voters crossed over to vote for AOC.

It sounds like you're just saying whatever you can to blame the progressives instead of the vast majority of the party then.

Maybe they shouldn't structurally oppose the people who get that crossover vote by actually helping their constituency? You know, the people who don't take money from billionaires and therefore aren't beholden to them?

Ah yes, I love how progressives are both too small to matter, yet large enough to throw a whole-ass election.

So we're going with the loudest dipshits on the Internet being representative of the caucus?

Then I have bad news about the way centrists talk about their allies in the progressive caucus.

Yes, we've established that Harris lost. Remember when we did that?

You've yet to demonstrate your claim that it was the progressives fault though despite your constant bitching about it. It sure seems like you're incapable of doing so or you'd have done it already.

What makes you think it was the progressives' doing and not Biden refusing to step aside to have a real primary? Oh that's right: you'd never blame the center for their incompetence.

Let's see those numbers!

Unless you don't have them?

I don't care about feelings, I want numbers.

Also, are you saying that everyone who voted for AOC was a progressive? Because that seems wrong if they also voted for a fascist. How do you separate out the people who aren't progressives and voted for AOC? Feelings?

Surely there's a non-zero number of them. Why are you counting them as progressives who crossed over instead of MAGA who did?

It is!

Are you suggesting that the progressives did a 180 on their priorities and hatred for Trump? Because that seems like a ridiculous thing to believe about the most engaged segment of Democratic voters.

Those must be some pretty powerful feelings you've got.

A September survey found a large majority approves of Biden's job performance (82%)

I was not aware that Biden was president in 2020.

So... Just feelings then. Good to know.

Very good! I'm so proud of you.

Now do you have any reason beyond your feelings as to why you blame the progressives in 2024? I'm talking data.

I showed you mine, let's see yours.

Oh good, more shitting on progressives for no good reason.

While Progressive Left largely backed candidates other than Biden during the 2020 Democratic primaries, they overwhelmingly voted for him in the general election and now solidly support him. A September survey found a large majority approves of Biden’s job performance (82%), and majorities express confidence in his handling of most issues.

Pew

It just seems like you hate progressives for no particular reason despite them being the passionate part of the party.

But who knows, maybe electing a centrist will work this time; after all, we've got to get those sweet conservative votes.

I once bought fish mint at an asian grocery store thinking it was regular mint, and it was quite the surprise when I tried it.