Until the majority of Palestinians accept that Israel has a right to exist alongside a Palestinian state, there won't be lasting peace between the two. An incredibly poor choice of words, but the point is clear to those willing to listen.
Arkouda
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Honestly, the fact that you are trying to pretend I didn't tell you my background in an attempt to prove whatever point you are trying to make about me is humourous.
Enjoy the last word, and I highly recommend you educate yourself on my country before ever talking shit again.
Yeah and I haven’t done any of those things. I made a pretty clear distinction between the subjects under a government and the government itself, i.e. people who live in Canada/America/wherever vs the Canadian/America/wherever government.
You are making broad assumptions about the entire country of people which happens to be full of "Canadians" from different cultures. You assume anyone who isn't from a country attacked by the US (Which Canada currently is) does not get a say in the matter, and include everyone who isn't Indigenous or "Living in the inner city". (Racist, as I know who you are referencing here. Note: Many people from different backgrounds live in the "inner city" with many different experiences regardless of cultural origin.)
You ignore the fact that I am also from a visible minority group and lump me in with a group you know nothing about knowing nothing about me.
If hating the Canadian government is bigotry then bigotry is a toothless concept that needs to be dispensed with…but obviously, hating the Canadian government is not bigotry. It’s an emotional continuation of a principled objection to all nations rooted in the anarchist tradition of anti-nationalist libertarian socialism. Hating the cultural institutions invented by the Canadian government isn’t bigotry either. Again, it is an emotional continuation of a principled objection to nationalism, in particular the cultural assimilation
How do you feel about Indigenous Government structures?
You also aren't "hating on the Government" alone. You act as though Canada and Canadians don't have a unique culture and should be shamed for being proud of it. Yet you seem to think that people under other Governments, with other cultures, get more of a say in any conversation and should be proud of their cultures.
My people conquered and were conquered. We now have our own country after gaining independence from the Ottoman empire. Should my ancestral homeland be abolished?
Actually, my argument is closer to “it is bigotry NOT to reject national governments and their cultural assimilation.” Because these national governments assimilate whatever cultures they can distill into something acceptable for capitalism, and brutally destroy anyone who can’t or won’t be assimilated. THAT is bigotry.
In Canada we celebrate cultural days from all over the world. We have diasporas from all over the world. Everyone of them is as Canadian as the next, and we celebrate our cultural differences here.
Stop projecting your countries behavior on mine.
Like there’s this distinct sense that you came into this conversation to dunk on “dumb Americans” for being a “big dumb patriot in dumb USA why don’t you just leave” and you didn’t expect to be dealing to someone to your left because literally everyone in America is a conservative no exceptions allowed and literally no one is paying attention. Pay no mind to the LA anti-ICE protests and even the shitlib-controlled No Kings protests where about 1% of the population turned up (which is actually huge for protests!).
Nope. I came into this thread specifically to share a warning about your country.
Considering you are too lazy to scroll up:
The US is not safe to travel to and you do not have a legitimate reason to travel there now. Keep this in your mind regardless of what reason you think contradicts this. It is not safe.
It also doesn't matter if you are left or right because "dumb Americans" make up about 75% of your countries population. (21% are clinically illiterate, while a staggering 54% read at or below a 6th grade level making them functionally illiterate)
This leads to a massive problem when both sides of your political spectrum are clinically or functionally illiterate and unable to understand their own points.
And since you’re usually dunking on Americans, who often are actual bigots, as a Canadian in a marginally less shit society, your brain goes “Yeah this dude is American so he must be a bigot, call him a bigot, that’ll show him.”
I call a bigot when I see a bigot. I too have bigoted views that I accept and work to operate against. When you are being bigoted you will be called out for it. This includes bigotry towards people of European decent.
You aren’t debating me. You’re dunking on this abstract idea of a generic American but writing it in prose with the length and cadence of a serious debate.
I am not debating you, and it isn't because of an abstract generic idea. It is 100% because you don't have a real argument, and are being a bigot.
And to be clear: I love dunking on my fellow Americans. I really do. We need to be put in our fucking place from time to time…all the fucking time really.
You keep saying "dunking on" when it really is just "stating objective facts based on observation and data".
If you feel "dunked on" that might be a sign for self reflection.
What I don’t appreciate is debating under false pretenses. It was really that first remark about racism where I knew what this conversation was: you were debating the generic American, not me, because it’s obvious to anyone with a pulse that I had said nothing even remotely racist or controversial in the snippet you quoted.
Nope. It was all based on what you said. If you don't see it, that is on you not me.
Like you have every right to be mad at America and Americans but maybe don’t dunk on Americans when they’re trying to express their disdain for the things you claim to be against. Like I 1000% support an America boycott, not coming to America, not working with Americans, fuck us and fuck all our shit, but you gotta understand that 100% purely perfect boycotting of America is not possible for people who were born here. It’s not even a remotely controversial position. To deny this is to deny material reality.
To deny the fact that people from countries with real safety issues for the vast majority of the population don't have a choice to "ride it out". They were born there, had far less resources than you, and still fled for safety.
People accuse anarchists of black and white thinking but it’s you who’s thinking in black and white, specifically that it is easy for all Americans to leave America and that anymore who doesn’t leave wants to be here and agrees with all or even any of the oppression that the US government has planned for the world.
You can leave, fix your shit, or shut up about it when people impacted by your country are speaking. As I have already said.
And usually I don’t keep hammering people like this but…come on…I know you’re a debate lord. You’re usually on the other side of this interaction…so it’s a chance to understand how it feels to be on the other side. (And also maybe I have important shit to do that I’m too anxious to do right now 😆.)
Not one word of this is true.
And you started all this over an extremely tame joke which, while literally going against the literal text of your first comment, clearly does not show support for the American empire or even diminish the correct anti-American critique you started with. I even gave you an out in the second comment where you could have said nothing or been like “well maybe I was a bit harsh”.
Maybe don't make jokes under a warning about peoples safety as a person who is partly responsible for aforementioned lack of safety. I also clearly stated why I proceeded the way I did. You didn't have to keep going but you did. I am responsible for my end, and you yours. It is on you just as much as me that we are here.
All of this say: even if you were right, you’re kind of being a jerk in your comment history. Not just to me, but to basically everyone you’ve interacted with lately. Not saying you are a jerk because I don’t know you, but you’re being a jerk. And if I wasn’t such an insufferable jerk myself, I would have probably just told you that directly and moved on with my life. Game recognizes game 😆.
The delivery of information doesn't change whether it is correct or not. I have not been a jerk to basically everyone who I have interacted with, but I would love to see you waste your time by providing a chart that demonstrates me being an unwarranted jerk to the majority of people over 1.23k comments and 20 posts.
This shouldn't be too hard since you are already balls deep in my account. I expect it by the end of the week or your fired.
Yeah I have lotsa bullshit to reflect on because I’m an extremely flawed human. Again, my post/comment history proves I have a lot of shit to work on, and I don’t pretend otherwise. Now you know that you do too.
I never once claimed to be perfect, and I would be willing to bet big money on the fact that I am working harder on myself than the average person to be a better person daily.
It isn’t simple. Most people I know who have moved to other countries hired an immigration attorney to help. It’s not cheap. Also, you can’t just show up in Canada and get a job. There is a legal process that must be followed. If you don’t have employment with a work visa ahead of time, you have to show proof you have the savings to live without working until you find a job to enter the country to look for work there. Many people don’t have months of expenses in an emergency account to lean on. Lots of impediments.
Do you think any of this should matter to someone who needs to flee a country for their safety? Do you know how many people need to do such things on a regular basis? Why do you believe Americans are different?
"Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!"
A bigot is a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes others based on their beliefs, race, or religion, often refusing to accept different ideas or groups. This term is commonly used to describe someone who holds prejudiced views.
Now that you know what the word means, try some self reflection.
That sounds a lot like the conditions for people who leave other countries for a better life.
2 comments 6 minutes apart on the same comment. Thirsty much?
I’m a Christian Anarchist myself...
Yeah... Nah...
You are ignorant, bigoted, and not worth further time. Give your head a shake.
By that logic, I should start murdering and killing random civilians because it’s in opposition to the law. Of course not! Not literally all laws are completely wrong. But I 1000% do not give a fuck about the letter of the law for the things I actually want to do.
By that logic, you aren't the only person in the world and a not so small amount of people are all about that life.
And I would be a lot more quiet if you were from Palestine or Iran or one of the various countries America has bombed into the stone age, or even from the inner city or one of the reservations inside the US. I could absolutely sympathize with them being rude to me. I’d agree with them and take it. I’m an anarchist, and I’m accustomed to reading material written with a confrontational tone; half our modern anarchist literature is just people yelling at the reader
A racist Anarchist? Well I never!
But you’re from Canada. Canada is just as complicit as the United States in the vast majority of the suffering we inflict on the world. And y’all are just as shitty to your indigenous population as we are.
And I’ve been noticing a distinctly…pro-Canada stance in your recent comment history…
Canada has much to be ashamed of, and much more to be proud of. We most certainly do not treat our Indigenous population like you do. We also do a lot of good around the world. There is a reason why we have so many allies.
I am not ashamed to be Canadian, and I am proud to be Canadian. I am also proud of being Greek. Regardless of the history of both.
If Americans have nothing to be proud of …WHICH WE DO NOT… AMERICANS HAVE NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF …then Canadians have almost nothing to be proud of. Yeah your healthcare system and social services are slightly less shit for white people, but Canada is still a settler-colonialist, capitalist, racist project that needs to be abolished.
We have much to be proud of in Canada. Feel free to explain how one "abolishes" a country full of people born and raised here from all over the world.
Like if I should feel bad for living in America, then by taking your logic to its logical conclusion YOU should be ashamed about living in Canada.
Which you shouldn’t. You were born there or were brought there. It’s not your fault.
I choose to live here because I like my country. I am proud of that choice. Just like you choose to live in the US and play pretend freedom fighter.
And to be completely clear: I reject national pride overall. National pride is for people who have nothing real to be proud of.
To be completely clear: Obviously, "Anarchist". That is exactly what people say when they have nothing to be proud of in their country.
That is another part of the very, very complicated issue in the area yes. That does not negate the fact that change is required for lasting peace, and it needs to happen on all sides of the issue.