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Video shows Gen Xu Qinxian explaining why he refused to deploy troops to crush 1989 student-led demonstrations

Rare footage of a People’s Liberation Army (PLA) general who defied orders to lead his troops into Tiananmen Square and crush the 1989 student protesters has been leaked online, offering a highly unusual glimpse into the upper echelons of the military at one of the most fraught moments in modern Chinese history.

General Xu Qinxian’s refusal to take his troops from the PLA’s prestigious 38th Group Army, a unit based on the outskirts of Beijing, into the capital has been the stuff of Tiananmen lore for decades.

The six-hour video recording of Gen Xu’s court martial hearing the next year sheds light on the rare act of defiance. In the video, Xu said he refused because he did not want to become “a sinner in history”.

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[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 58 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Good man. Too bad China kills good people. It's a horrible empire.

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 40 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It seems like all empires are horrible to me. Humans suck, especially when they have power

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah.

There’s lots of instances throughout history that prove that humans with power suck.

I like to think that it’s because nice people aren’t the type to accumulate power rather than power corrupts nice people who do get power.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

I think we make the mistake of letting people govern groups of people that they are too distant from to care about. Leaders are essential, but they have to care about the people they lead. I dont think its actually possible to care about people a thousand miles away the same way as the people in your community. I think this is why the largest countries that are controlled by the fewest people have the most problems. Its a delegation issue essentially.

[–] AugustWest@lemmy.world 20 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

A good point. Though I was surprised to read this particular dissident only got 5 years in prison and exile from Beijing.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Seems like standard procedure to higher ups in China. They did something similar to Xi Jinping‘s father when he spoke out against a violent solution for the protests. Too bad Xi learned all the wrong lesson‘s from his dad‘s political exile.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 hours ago

He went to prison for 5 years and then lived into his 80s.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

For anyone else that is interested in what came of him:

Xu was expelled from the CCP and sentenced to five years in prison. He lived the rest of his life exiled from Beijing and died in 2021 at the age of 85.

[–] markko@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago

A much happier ending than I expected.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 hours ago

Qinxian made a decision that saved countless lives, much like Arkhipov in the 60s.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 5 points 1 hour ago
[–] aesviation@lemmings.world 2 points 15 minutes ago

Modern journalism headline