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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not quite. We're not much in a position to say much on this. Until we get out of our economic dependence on the US, being too vocal could make things worse for us without making things better for Venezuela. If we want to be able to do something we could perhaps send aid to the region. But more so get out of under the US'es thumb. If we gain independence, we'd be able to do material contribitions in events like this.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

being too vocal could make things worse for us without making things better for Venezuela.

It betrays that our values are the complete submission to US empire. Arresting Huawei VP, supporting war on Russia, copying US tariffs on China, Defense pact with Philippines, Agreeing Mexican cartels are state sponsored terrorists, has not resulted in our lack of integrity being rewarded. We're just a corrupt shithole sycophantic colony that dares pretend to be freer and more democratic than those who resist our master's evil. No Canadian leader at any level has spoken against the murder spree or the massing Armada.

While there may be American oligarchs with influence who think a war on Canada seems like a bad idea, the shared zero integrity among cowards in the world means no one will say a peep if US extorts/aggresses Canada harder. After all, if we have no morals other than cowardice and evil, should we expect any defense, or strongly worded admonishments, from others, including allies, when we are abused?

No matter how appealing cowardice is, it is never rewarded, and you deservedly should feel like shit for it.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I'm not going to disagree.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then canada should shut the fuck up about sudan where canadian weapons are found. It should shut the fuck up about Palestine , it should shut the fuck up about the bullshit of Israel has thr right to defend it self It should shut the fuck up about human rights and democracy.

Usa is siding with Russia but Canada still rightfully support Ukraine so it has nothing to do with the dependence to the usa it's all about racism towards brown people and the neocolonial mentality. You guys are just hypocrite who don't want to admit our country is complicit with the usa crimes

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think so. We say and do things depending on interactions between people's prevailing attitudes, corporate interests and economic pressures. Some things are easier to say and do than others. Some things are desirable to say by more Canadians than others. Corporate interests are more aligned with some actions than others. I'm not making a moral judgement as to whetger we should be vocal about Venezuela. Personally, I'd like us to be but I'm not sure it's a good idea for Canada as a whole. I'm also making a suggestion on how we could put ourselves in a material position to be able to say and do more for people under threat.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

If we can be vocal about certain human right abuses we should be silent about everything. Otherwise we are just hypocrites. We also has laws preventing our soldiers to participate in other militaries especially one doing a genocide . If we can't respect them we should withdraw from them

https://lois-laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-28/FullText.html

[–] tangonov@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We have to be very fucking careful with what we say about our so called allies right now.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

With the same logic Russian allies need to be careful about they say about Russia. What bunch of bullshit. Do you think the usa care about us for example criticize and condemn the UAE for enabling the genocide in Sudan or maybe we should be careful about condemning russia since the usa is siding more with Russia

[–] tangonov@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We have both oil and a border that Fentanyl can cross buddy.

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Yes all that Canadian Fentanyl. Everyone in the world knows Canada is such a massive macro world leading net exporter of fentanyl.

Maybe if a certain country didn't, you know, have such a voracious appetite, there maybe wouldn't be such a problem. But nobody ever thinks about it that way. I mean is the cartel the cartel, for example, should a certain large world marketplace stop consuming? They should stop consuming fentanyl just to spite Canada! (And I mean hey at least something positive would come out of this).

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

We really need some better quality reporting instead of this slop.

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well I mean in line with the same logic, I don't really notice Europe screaming about it much either.

I think the very big Canadian lesson in all of this, and especially what we've learned with Ukraine and Russia and all of that, is that we are going to be largely left to our own devices. Thoughts and prayers and some token contributions are going to be made from our allies should something stupid happen, and thats going to be about it. So Canada better get double time working on this Citizens Army and all these other initiatives that are supposedly in the plans for 2026. We are going to get caught flat footed otherwise. It's going to be 1936 and we are Poland.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Europe is as hypocrical only caring about themselves preaching human right abuses and democracy while being involved in many conflicts in africa, now some african countries are turning to russia unfortunatly because of it