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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 172 points 2 days ago

In an unjust society the only place for a just man is prison.

-- Henry David Thoreau

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 169 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The people who hid Anne Frank and her family were guilty of obstruction, too.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yup. The holocaust was legal. Slavery was legal. Hiding Jews (to help them escape the holocaust) was illegal. The Underground Railroad (to help slaves escape the south) was illegal. Legality often aligns with morality, but legality cannot be used as a basis for morality. Because throughout history, people have used laws to justify heinously immoral acts.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Legality often aligns with morality

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I'd say it "sometimes" does.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For the major crimes, yes.

Murder, theft, etc.

But for other crimes, like the one in the article, it's moral to resist.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The vast majority of laws cover petty things that may or may not be moral rather than the big stuff, though.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The vast majority of laws are regulations. And the vast majority of those were written in blood.

They can mostly be summed up as, "don't do that, or do this specifically, because someone could die otherwise".

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The real question is: Who gets to define the morality that the law should align with?

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

Oh God you can't imagine the shit that I get into the minute somebody mentions morality and I asked them whose morality are you talking about. I live in a very highly religious area and the looks people give me is hilarious. Seriously fuck their thought of what morality is or isn't.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The real answer is: the fey queen Titania and her sylvan council of woodland beings, duh.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

It's subjective. But the state of the world today lends a lot of credence to being cynical.

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[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

When were talking about simple ass shit that we probably barely need a legal system to deal with, sure.

Don't kill, don't steal, don't rape, these are rules that every man of any creed can live by (sorry, had to)

But as soon as the law gets more complicated than "don't visit violence on others unprovoked" it just becomes the state threating you to do what it wants

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 162 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So she gets convicted of obstruction, but Trump steals and hides classified documents and is basically apologized to for the inconvenience of getting charged?

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 60 points 2 days ago

Not just apologized to but he also just sued the government for a $230 million payout for being investigated over illegally keeping the documents and its up to the president and head of the DOJ whether to pay it 🙄

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The USA is a facist country now. laws are only for the poor and the opposition. Try to keep up.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

We’re too stupid a country to be fascist. We’re a popularity contest made up almost entirely of mean girls.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago

Fascism does not require intelligence. Kind of the opposite actually.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

That's fascism. Its a vibe only worldview. Because, differently from socialism or grassroots movements, post truth is better than real actions done by real working people.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 22 points 2 days ago

The Mueller report recommended 10 charges of obstruction of justice, but Bill Barr lied, and said it totally exonerated him.

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago

America hasn't been a nation of laws in a long time, if ever.

[–] BannedVoice@lemmy.zip 127 points 2 days ago

Getting into good trouble. The mark of a great human.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 89 points 2 days ago (4 children)

“Jury of your peers”

More than half our peers are fascists and their sympathizers

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 30 points 2 days ago

The other half are useful idiots.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 days ago

A "fascist sympathizer" is just a fascist.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

This is why I am becoming kinda...okay? With a civil war, now. I don't want my neighbors nor government to consist of Nazis.

War sucks. But living the rest of my life with awful people would be even worse.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (22 children)

Hey, non-voters and protest voters, y'all fall under that "sympathizers" bucket. Have the day you voted for! ✨

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Weird how all the “protest voters” I know, seem to have no problem with anything currently happening. In fact, any time I bring up politics, I’m reminded of how the real fascism was having to wear masks.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Daron from SoaD is a perfect example of this. He says he's "far middle" but he spends all his time attacking leftists, mainly for using his own lyrics against him

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Non-voter: “but 1 didn’t vOtE!”

Everyone else: “Yeah you did. You’re just too stupid to understand what you voted for. Or make any effort to.”

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[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 66 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I swear if the Democrats do not pardon her, they will lose any banking left as people are helping in what they have been saying. We need to let them know that it's on the list of people that need to be given a damn pardon.

Fuck maga, fuck trump, fuck these fascist traitors.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Attacking an independent judiciary is a clear, unequivocal sign of unbridled fascism.

[–] adubya@feddit.online 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This was corrupt AF for Judge Cervera to state this especially since they were not even party to that claim. This judge was only present for requesting the moronic agents to review policy with the Chief Judge. Other factors abused by DOJ was to blame but that shameful Judge Cervera just wrecked our state courts across the nation handing them over to the authoritarian federal police.

“Judges shouldn’t be helping defendants evade arrest,” Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Kristela Cervera told a jury.

[–] cheesybuddha@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Judges should (and up until now do) have wide discretion over how to run their courts.

Also, this nonsense is going to have a chilling effect on people being willing to legitimately go to court.

[–] rayyy@piefed.social 27 points 2 days ago

Someone set up a Go Fund Me account for the nice lady.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

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Matter of time INS becomes Deportation and Denaturalization Services.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 13 points 1 day ago

Another martyr for democracy. She will be remembered as a hero someday soon, like Rosa Parks.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

Show's how worthless the "law" is for any judgement of an action as history has always shown.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

When reason is restored, every member of this jury will be found and held accountable for enabling this fascist abortion of Constitution, law, ethics, and morality. No treason will be forgotten or forgiven. Not one act.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

The state can remain irrational much longer than you can remain free

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Appeal and get a new judge. I wouldn't trust any of this.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No amount of therapy can fix the reality of the country like this

[–] Aneb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Lol during my therapy sessions I talk abt how I'm personally doing better but the state of the world is magnitudes worse in every respect. Also my healthcare premiums are skyrocketing and I either pay it or get screwed and walk away from my therapist cause I can't afford out of pocket sessions.

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