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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/40224994

I just found out that Embark used genAI to replace recalling it's voice actors. And I am devastated. It was my GOTY and now I'm boycotting it. To the point that I decided to be vocal about it.

I don't want any AI (not talking about machine learning for the way the Arcs move, I'm talking about the voice actors being replaced) in the work of art that I think are the video games I play.

To game developers: Stop using AI in your video games!


Je viens de découvrir que Embark a utilisé de l'IA générative pour remplacer ses acteurs. Et franchement je suis tellement déçu. C'était clairement mon GOTY, et maintenant je me retrouve à boycotter tout ça, au point de carrément en faire des posts pour toucher le plus de monde possible.

Je ne veux aucune IA (et attention, je ne parle pas du machine learning utilisé pour les déplacements des Arcs) dans les oeuvres d'art que je consomme.

Aux développeurs: Arrêtez d'utiliser de l'IA dans les jeux vidéos !

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[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 66 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Stealing? They paid the voice actors to train the model, everyone consented. What do you think stealing is?

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The job offer would read "Let us use your voice to train an AI to replace you, and if you say no, we'll hire someone else who will." Most actors are highly replaceable, so they have very little bargaining power. This is why actors have unions and why they've been fighting AI hard.

[–] WindyRebel@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I’m admittedly ignorant of all of this, but I’ll post my thoughts anyway:

If the AI is trained on their voice and that AI is available to other studios (like leasing or buying it from the original company), the one time payment for that actor’s work is a very very shit deal. They’re out of a job in multiple places or for multiple works now since it can be reused for many things.

I doubt that the contract says it’s only used for that one singular project. Companies are sneaky. However, I have not read said contracts so it’s a magical guess on my part.

AI voice training is literally handing the means of production to capitalists

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[–] realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

From https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/arc-raiders-use-of-ai-highlights-the-tension-and-confusion-over-where-machine-learning-ends-and-generative-ai-begins/

Watkins, speaking to PCGamesN, elaborated that the text-to-speech always starts with a voice actor: "It's part of their contract that we use it [AI] for this purpose, and that allows us to do things like our ping system, where it's capable of saying every single item name, every single location name, and compass directions. That's how we can get that without needing to have someone come in every time we create a new item for the game."

So no, they are not "stealing" voices. Their contracts explicity states that they are training the model. So they are getting paid, which in conclusion rules out "stealing".

Also, from your video:

But to my understanding

Rarely ever good if a sentence starts with "To my understanding"

the AI tools Embark uses to then synthesize the rest of the performance come from models that are trained on millions of other voice actors that have been stolen from in the way that all generative AI models steal from artists.

No, that's the whole point of models that are trained on a single voice - you do NOT use other voice actors because that would completely muddy the voice. The models are trained on a singular voice to mimic that person perfectly. Using other voices is like asking someone to cook a potato soup for you and then you toss in tomato and paprika.

AI is a tool, and a good one if it's used properly. And this is definitely a good use case.

If you really want to make a point against AI, stop using windows as they are trying to push AI bullshit into everything.

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[–] Alchalide@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago (46 children)

But its in agreement with the voice actors. I don't get the big deal. I'm not pro AI but why would you abandon a game you enjoy for that reason? Praise them for making an Unreal engine game that looks and runs great.

[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Because desperate voice actors famously have so much leverage in contract negotiations, right? Why do you think Hollywood actors and writers unions went on strike in 2023?

[–] hzl@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

If SAG hadn't gone on strike, Netflix would also have been making agreements with actors to use their voice and likeness without actually offering future work too. Was SAG wrong to push against this?

Just because someone makes a deal doesn't mean it isn't a toxic business practice that's bad for the industry or the people involved in it. People also agree to work for subpar wages, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't push for higher minimum wages.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 2 points 2 days ago

While i think it sucks, and the only reason they take this weird approach is that the embark guy is a turbo AI bro. What i don't understand why they even bother, since arc raiders has only like 10 voice lines

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[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I installed Arc Raiders from my family sharing group, fired it up then closed it and uninstalled it as soon as it says I need to create YET ANOTHER account just to play this game.

I'm done creating an account for every single game.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep. I wish others were brave enough to actually make a change. Accounts are purely there to steal data and further enrich thieves.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

And beyond that, they're just uselessly annoying for consumers

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Oh it's one of those? Same reason I returned red dead redemption 2.

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

No! Not having to create an account that keeps your account available cross platform!

[–] Lemmchen@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are aware that you see beforehand whether the game requires a separate account (at least on Steam)? Also, how else would you enable crossplay/crosssave?
And you don't even need to use separate credentials. You can log in with Steam just fine.

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[–] wizblizz@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Really appreciate you bringing awareness and expressing concern on this, as it has the potential to abuse artists. Folks seem quick to handwave it away instead of taking the measured, thoughtful approach it deserves. Artists need to be protected first and foremost.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Do they charge real money for worthless cosmetics in this game? You think they’d be able to afford to bring the original voice actors back in to re-record some lines for updates, if that’s the case.

Seems kind of ironic for a game that’s about capitalists fucking the earth and leaving to space while the rest of humanity is plagued by AI death machines for generations.

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