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[–] macarthur_park@lemmy.world 33 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Alcohol has long been seen as a social lubricant for thousands of years in Japan, where business deals and difficult issues are discussed over bottles of beer and sake.

It is believed that drinking alcohol creates a more relaxed environment for such discussions.

This is such an odd bit of “cultural context” to include in the article. Alcohol is a social lubricant in basically every culture that doesn’t outright forbid it.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 19 hours ago

ChatGPT just kinda felt like that would be useful context today.

[–] lastweakness@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I think it's to a whole different degree in Japan though, at least from what I've heard. Forced drinking parties at work, for example.

[–] who@feddit.org 16 points 14 hours ago

Authorities deemed that the offenders were "likely to pose a significant danger when driving a car".

That's quite a leap of reasoning.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So the more comfortable way to lose a license is to drive a car instead?

If you punish everything you'll just get people who stop caring.

[–] Legianus@programming.dev 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Not really, same in Germany if you are generally drunk in traffic (except by foot or public transport, i.e. an active participant) the same sober laws apply. So the incentive is not to do that when drunk. Also believe me when you lose your driving license completely you will care if you need it, and even if you don't, fines hurt, too.

Japan is even harsher as you can go to prison directly, and if you are in their court system once (that is after only a fine or simple suspension) due to customs and cultural norms you will be found guilty with a chance of about 99 % (the Japanese court system is notoriously bad).

Alternatives to escalating by using a car can bet walking or taking the metro, the latter is easily possible in Japan, for instance. When the trains don't run there are plenty cheap manga cafes or capsule hotels.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This is something that happens in beach cities in CA. People get drunk at the beach bars and then take the beach bike path home. However, those paths are used by pedestrians and other cyclists going at high speeds.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 0 points 19 hours ago

...going at high speeds.

Well, there's a double entendre for you.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

Drunk cyclist: oh no! what will I do for transportation now?

DC: wait

[–] Renohren@lemmy.today 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Drink cycling is fun, red wine and white wine is a good cycle option, stay away from gin and vodka though. Ohh not that drink cycling...

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 12 hours ago

M friend got super fucked up falling off her bike doing this. She was in clip in pedals tho.

It is hella fun though! Just know your limit.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 1 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

This is dumb. Write a drunk in public, sure, but a drunk cyclist isn't a danger to anyone but themselves.

[–] nailingjello@piefed.zip 9 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It sounds like you are saying that if a drunk cyclist hits a pedestrian, it's impossible for the pedestrian to get injured.

Or if that same cyclist weaves out in to the street, a car that hits them cannot be damaged (and the driver of the car won't be held liable even though cyclists pretty much always have the right of way vs. cars).

[–] socsa@piefed.social 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Cyclists injure fewer pedestrians per year than sidewalks do.

[–] nailingjello@piefed.zip 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for confirming my assumptions above. I don't agree.

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

How can you disagree with a recorded fact? 🙄

[–] nailingjello@piefed.zip 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Based on their comment above I asked if the following assumptions were correct. They appeared to confirm them:

It sounds like you are saying that if a drunk cyclist hits a pedestrian, it's impossible for the pedestrian to get injured.

Or if that same cyclist weaves out in to the street, a car that hits them cannot be damaged (and the driver of the car won't be held liable even though cyclists pretty much always have the right of way vs. cars).

Are you saying there are recorded facts that agree with their assumptions? Could you please provide a source?

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 1 points 6 hours ago

No, I'm saying cyclists injure fewer pedestrians per year than sidewalks do, which is what your disagreeing comment appeared to be replying to. It's a recorded fact that cyclists injure fewer pedestrians per year than sidewalks. For my country, that's in the Recorded Road Casualties of Great Britain dataset.

I replied about your assumptions in another comment.

[–] mjr@infosec.pub 4 points 16 hours ago

Not impossible, but very very rare in practice.

And whether the driver is liable varies around the world. Most countries require drivers not to hit dumb animals, including drunk humans.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 hours ago

What? If some drunken fuck rams into me on a bike, then I'll l get injured.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Cyclists here in Japan flaunt all the rules and ride like maniacs (illegally in most cases) on the sidewalks (and also illegally with earphones and staring at their phones). Pedestrians have absolute right-of-way and the cyclist is at fault for hitting them. Add to this generally high density and bad spacial awareness and it's bad without drunks. Absolutely keep people from drinking off the cycles.

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 hours ago

I dunno about what part of Japan you're in but what grinds my gears in Okinawa is how they NEVER use their damn bells to let me know they're approaching me from behind.

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

Could hurt other cyclists and pedestrians, especially other cyclists of going fast 

[–] ThomasWilliams@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

If its like Australia, then its probably because the way the legislation is worded.

If the DUI legislation has demerit point accumulation for DUI, and it covers all vehicles, not just motor vehicles, then drunk cycling or horse riding could also result in a loss of licence.

[–] M137@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago

*Drunk cycling

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