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[–] SrMono@feddit.org 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Yea.. as if they don’t enjoy their strategic advantage to have bases and drone relays in all their “befriended” countries. Their global power relies in the ability to project military power in a fast manner.

Good luck doing that without strategic bases and pre distributed resources and local enablers.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is not about the geostrategic interests of the US. Where do you think these ideas come from?

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think they come from where you think, it is just plain stupidity from people thinking that US could go better alone.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And just out of plain stupidity they've decided to reject the overwhelming consensus of US foreign policy for decades? Colour me sceptical. Where do the stupid people get those ideas from?

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 3 points 1 day ago

And just out of plain stupidity they’ve decided to reject the overwhelming consensus of US foreign policy for decades?

Obviously. They are stupid, they cannot understand, or don't care about, the consequences of their actions.

Colour me sceptical. Where do the stupid people get those ideas from?

These ideas were always there, they think they are special. It is just that this time they elected the worst people possible.

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My point being that the US serve Russian geostrategic interests these days instead of their own.

[–] SrMono@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Doesn't mean, a whole dysfunctional government goes along with such a deep cut in their own flesh.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

That's exactly what they've been doing for the past year.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes time to go home boys. Can you take your shitty nukes too so we’re no longer a target for your stupid war games?

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Can you take your shitty nukes too so we’re no longer a target for your stupid war games?

Sorry, but to think Europe will no longer be threatened by nuclear weapons if the US will remove theirs is a bit naïve.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Naive, hope. What ever you want to call it. I just don’t want to live in FallOut, sorry.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Looking at Ukraine: not having nukes does not guarantee peace, rather the contrary. Meanwhile, there haven't been that many foreign tanks attacking in those countries that live under the protection of nukes. It's ok to be hopeful, but let's also stay realistic.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Okay apples and pears aside. Maybe not nukes, but lots of yummy Uranium deposits, only a third less than China has. Then for the rest of the basket, Ukraine and specifically the Donbas is chock full of Lithium. Some of the largest deposits. Reason A doesn’t oppose reason B.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The point is: had Ukraine kept its nukes in the 90s instead of giving them away for a security treaty with Russia that Russia decided to just break, it wouldn't have to defend against the Russian war of aggression right now.

So while you think of nukes as a threat, keep in mind there's people in a war right now and not far away that wished they had kept theirs.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That’s not a point at all. Ignoring the facts doesn’t make mutually assured destruction a valid tactic.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How would Russia have invaded a Ukraine with nukes?

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok, so you refuse to honestly answer the question.

Point proven, thanks.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure. Take your trophy, show your mother. Your whole argument was bs. Hence the yes. But you’ve proven by your response what your true goal is. Enjoy your day lol.

[–] Quittenbrot@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

..you forgot to downvote.

Just to recap:

You apparently feel threatened by nukes in your surroundings - I pointed out that Ukraine would not have to defend itself in a war if they still had nukes. So for them, it would not be a threat but a security for peace. Basically, check your privileges. And so far, you haven't presented anything substantial as a response to my question. Which is fine, but not my problem. So if you're out of arguments, we're done here I guess.

[–] Nanook@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

lol, downvote… I hope in the analog you have some people to talk to. I feel it would do you some good.

Edit: lol, triggered.

[–] kubofhromoslav@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Time for European army. Or at least Army of willing, which can be done without lengthy treaty change process, or dealing on something smaller by all EU members.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I never thought the US could become so shitty, so quickly.

[–] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago

Most of us who didn’t vote for the mentally deranged orangutan saw this coming from a mile away.

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What, dissolving the Empire?

[–] l_isqof@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Isn't that another thing that Putin would have ordered, Krasnov?

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is a Russian op to ensure that when Russia attacks NATO members, the USA won't be beholden to support the allies and will sit on their hands and watch (along with refusing aid) also they won't have to send troops

Plus the US will be allowed to commit war crimes and can limit or stiffle democracy and Civil liberties without having to answer to anyone.

One of the requirements in NATO is that they must is uphold democracy and tolerate diversity

The atrocities against American citizens is coming. Likely after the midterm elections next year if the outcome doesn't go the GOPs way

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That's a good thing the usa should have never been trusted