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Canada has joined a major European Union defense fund, Prime Minister Mark Carney’s office said Monday, as the country looks to diversify its military spending away from the United States.

The plan allows Canadian defense companies access to a 150 billion euro ($170 billion) EU loan program, known as Security Action for Europe, or SAFE. That would allow Canadians firms to secure cheap, EU-backed loans to procure military equipment.

“Canada’s participation in SAFE will fill key capability gaps, expand markets for Canadian suppliers, and attract European defense investment into Canada,” Carney said in a statement.

Canada is the first non-EU country to gain access.

Carney has said he intends to diversify Canada’s procurement and enhance the country’s relationship with the EU. He has previously said that no more will over 70 cents of every dollar of Canadian military capital spending go to the U.S.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cancel the F35 turds already.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago

Use them as bargaining chip until they're no longer useful. Cancel them as a result of American negotiation intractability.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Cool!

Talks on the U.K. joining the SAFE fund ended without agreement last week. Negotiations foundered over money, with Europe demanding more for Britain’s participation than the U.K. was willing to pay.

Well that's interesting

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Governance in UK is still in shambles so that's unsurprising.

[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seems like Labour is determined to show that they can also speed run an incompetent, dystopian surveillance state. Its almost impressive.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 10 points 23 hours ago

Who could have guessed that a return to Blairism would be so terrible

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 day ago

Canentry > Brexit

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 21 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Time for Canada to join the EU!

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Im gonna pass on that one. I like stronger ties to the EU but I dont want to be beholden to an entity that is largely shaped by the needs of Europeans. That works fine for Europe but we are not a European nation.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 9 points 18 hours ago

Especially with the chat control thing going on !

[–] sdfric88@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 18 hours ago

Fair point. I love stronger ties to them, a joint defense agreement, trade, etc. but you're right that we would always be a footnote in their considerations. Harmonizing our laws with the EU can always be done when it's favourable or reasonable for us.

[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I would like a land bridge pls

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 14 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

It's a short ferry ride from Newfoundland to France.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It’s some little island though is it not?

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. Actual France is still on the other side of the Atlantic, haha.

[–] Reannlegge@lemmy.ca 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I was talking about the Territorial Collectivity of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, but sure your comment makes sense to.

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 hours ago

50 years old and I can still learn something new. Whodathunkit.

[–] Typotyper@sh.itjust.works 3 points 22 hours ago

Heading west too

[–] Nouveau_Burnswick@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

Land border with Denmark already exists.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 5 points 16 hours ago

And a moat so we can separate from the USA

[–] ODGreen@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago

Newfoundlandbridge

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 hours ago

The US exists to be a global disruptor. Their purposely disruptive policies will continue after Trump is gone by younger politicans who share his views. The sooner, faster and more thoroughly Canada disengages from the US, the better. This shit isn’t ending when Trump leaves.

[–] CouldntCareBear@sh.itjust.works 7 points 22 hours ago

Petty protectionism dominating EU policy even in the midst of existential threat from Russia. Absolutely pathetic.

https://www.euractiv.com/news/canada-to-pay-e10-million-for-preferential-access-to-eu-funded-defence-deals/

The EU wanted Britain to pay 6 billion to join the scheme on equal terms and they walked. Then the EU let's Canada join for 10 million. So Britain is expected to pay 600 x the amount Canada pays. Does that seem reasonable to anyone?

I mean if that doesn't tell you that Europe is simply not serious about its defence then consider that they also wanted Britain to give France the rights to fish its waters as part of the deal. Finally getting serious about defending Europe but first let's talk about fish... It's an absolute joke.

While Europe is facing existential threat the EU is bickering with it's closest allies over bullshit. It's core members are putting their own national interests above the security of the entire continent and I think it's absolutely damning of the EU's ability to navigate this kind of situation where we need decisive and selfless leadership.

Glad to see Canada involved though.