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[–] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 187 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Meanwhile, 10 euros per vial here in Europe. At least his original plan for widespread and easy availability has partially succeeded.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 120 points 23 hours ago

In civilized countries at least.

[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

In brazil 36 reais (about 6 euro). The US is a joke. (And im 99% sure you can also get it for free if you use the public health network)

[–] mika_mika@lemmy.world 36 points 20 hours ago

I have mental health disabilities in the USA and my meds are at zero cost because I literally have had absolute zero income for the past 5 years.

You wouldn't believe how much those mood stabilizer/antidepressant cocktails stack up proportionally when I was able to scrape by on $15 an hour.

The system set me up to fail with how shitty it is, if healthcare wasn't crap I could be contributing to society without crippling myself.

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[–] BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 125 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

Canadians: invented drug and patent it freely

Americans: Finds way to kill the most people possible while making the most amount of money

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 56 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, the killing isn't the point; they're the product. Its just that profit is God, so killing in its name is justified.

Killing poors for the joy of it? That's just an evil bonus.

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 104 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I’m not diabetic and the situation with insulin fills me with a white hot rage.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 82 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

If you talk about killing the few people like these that are the root cause of all these problems, you're a terrorist. You go to jail

These people actually kill people by the thousands, millions, and we call them smart CEO's and celebrate them 🥂

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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 day ago* (last edited 35 minutes ago) (20 children)

I wonder if all the sane Americans did a mass exodus to Canada, Europe, UK, Australia etc, what effect that would have

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 92 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot of us would need financial sponsorship. So there'd be a literal financial drain on those economies.

I still would like to sign up.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 66 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

Not if you stayed, then it’s an investment. Money doesn’t just disappear when goes to poor people, they use it to buy things like food and stuff. It would only be a financial drain if you were sending that money back home.

The North American mind cannot comprehend the benefits of supporting the poor.

[–] slothrop@lemmy.ca 35 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

UBI should be ubiquitous.

UBI = Universal Basic Income

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[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 28 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Perhaps strain would be a better word than drain - it would still be a short-mid term financial burden to take even a tiny fraction of the sane population from the US, it's a big country. Sure would be nice if it could be arranged though...

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[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 25 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

Have you looked into what it takes to get a permanent visa to one of those countries? It’s not easy.

[–] Master@sh.itjust.works 21 points 23 hours ago

Its prohibitively impossible.

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[–] macncheese@lemmy.world 59 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

California is contracting its own insulin supply and it'll be available for $11 a pen starting Jan 1, 2026. I know not every state can or are willing to do this but just throwing out some examples and hopefully optimism to somehow fight the American decline from within it. We're in a unique position as our state economy is larger than most countries but I am hopeful we will throw our weight around to counter the bs. https://www.chhs.ca.gov/blog/2025/10/17/governor-newsom-announces-affordable-calrx-insulin-11-a-pen-will-soon-be-available-for-purchase/

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 22 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Seems like something other states should get in on. Now that the program is established seems like it would not be as hard to pay into it and get a share of the product.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 57 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 32 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Making an AI meme of Luigi as a Saint is one thing.

Making a painting and having it casually displayed in your room is a whole other level.

Also, I can't believe it's already been a year.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 42 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (5 children)

Yea I guess but my mom was destroyed by our cruel and heartless system. She’s gone now but painting this helped me reconnect with the glimmer of hope we all felt for a moment after this happened. It also helped process the trauma I myself went through as her caregiver not being able to access what she needed

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 42 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

Naive question from a european: Aren't there companies on the market who can offer a cheaper price and therefore beat greedy competitors?

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 102 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (5 children)

the problem is that there is natural (as in, unmodified) cheap generic insulin available, it's just that it sucks compared to everything else. you see, insulin is a peptide that is supposed to appear, do some signalling, then disappear and unmodified insulin copies this thing exactly. the problem is, most of the time when peptide is supposed to work as a pharmaceutical, you don't want to do that, you'd like insulin to last longer than usual, which means changes to it that make breakdown slower, or adding something that makes it stick to albumin, which has similar effect because it hides insulin somewhere enzymes can't reach it and also it makes it start acting slower. this means less frequent dosing and less changes in insulin activity over time. there are also other insulins that start acting faster than natural, and this is also due to a couple of modifications in its structure

for another example, ozempic was not the first drug in its class, it's also a modified peptide, and it can be injected s.c. once a week, compared to previous iteration (liraglutide) that requires daily injections. if natural peptide is injected i.m. instead, its halflife is half an hour, and in serum it's only two minutes (it gets released a bit slower than it is metabolized)

manufacturing costs are about the same for any variant, most of it is in purification. patents for a couple of these have expired anyway by now, but if manufacturing is limited then price can be set arbitrarily high (see daraprim)

[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 43 points 19 hours ago (6 children)

Oh wow, an actual nuanced response and genuine answer!

Also today I learned!

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[–] Soulg@ani.social 20 points 21 hours ago

Correct, but when it's already been established that people will pay those prices, they keep them high. So instead of going from $800 to $5 out of the goodness of their hearts, they go from $800 to $650 (number made up) to get more business but still make massive profits.

[–] Lumidaub@feddit.org 19 points 21 hours ago (6 children)

You'd THINK capitalism would cause that to happen, wouldn't you?

[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't work when people don't get to choose not to take it when it gets too expensive! That thing that capitalists always forget about: necessities.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Every time someone talks about you being supposedly free to choose where to work they should get instant diarrhea. Let alone medicine of course, that's a hard dependence.

Nobody is truly free without proper UBI and free healthcare and good public transport. Only then true freedom can exist.

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[–] AsoFiafia@lemmy.zip 40 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The drug I have to take to live costs anywhere from $4,000-$5,500/month without insurance. This is actually cheaper than what I was on before—a cocktail of 4 drugs, some taken multiple times a day, that was almost $10,000/month. I’m lucky(?) that there are a ton of programs that together cover the cost for me. Unfortunately there are hoops I have to jump through every month to continue qualifying for the assistance and have to regularly take time off from work to make the appointments. I’ve lost jobs due to this, but am currently working a position where my manager is happy enough with my work to fudge time cards to help me out.

I hate this country.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (39 children)

Americans suffer from Stockholm syndrome

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I would literally move if I could afford it and if it was even a little easier.

Stockholm syndrome suggests we enjoy it or want to be here.

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[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 38 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

I genuinely think that in some third world countries, as part of the middle class, you can have a better life than in the USA.

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[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 37 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

Soo why sell the patent for $1 and have it be potentially exploited when you could hold onto it and licence use for free?

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 58 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

IIRC the insulin being sold now is manufactured differently and the patents are completely different anyway

But overall your point is good

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 36 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

It is different, but it's still incredibly cheap to make, $4 a vial, so it costing in the hundreds is just antihuman...

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 33 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's not anti human, the rest of us get it just fine. It's specifically anti-american

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 33 points 12 hours ago (5 children)
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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 28 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Welcome to USA, I guess.

In other countries, you could probably completely fill a fridge with insulin for $800.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 16 points 10 hours ago

If you need a lot of different prescribed drugs then £114.50/year to cover every prescription you have is an option here. Otherwise £9.90 each.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 27 points 15 hours ago (3 children)
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[–] bonenode@piefed.social 24 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

Why can't Americans mail order it from Canada? Is the US going to tax the crap out of it when it crosses the border?

[–] BD89@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 17 hours ago

Yes they will absolutely fuck you on it IF they even allow it at all.

You know, in the spirit of "free markets" and all that bull shit.

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[–] Devial@discuss.online 23 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If he wanted it to be freely available, why did he even sell the patent ? Just disclaim at the patent office. Selling is just asking the new holder to start enforcing.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 31 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

They sold the patent to the University of Toronto, so they didn't exactly sell it to a for-profit patent troll.

But also, that was in 1923, so the patent has long since expired.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 27 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

They also don't make insulin the way that he did back then. Not justifying the price hike cause the way its made now is way cheaper than it was with the old method (which was basically grinding up animal parts to extract insulin). These fucks are just profiting off of the suffering of Americans who have literally no choice but to use their drug.

https://youtu.be/naqbi_qVoVY

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 23 points 5 hours ago (23 children)

Capitalism is economic terrorism.

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 21 points 12 hours ago

Invented by a Canadian, exploited by an American.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

https://fourthievesvinegar.org/

It is not a solution, but maybe an alternative to death…

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