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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 102 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"did you say that soldiers can disobey illegal orders?"

"Yup."

"Okay, that's completely legal. Have a nice day."

What a waste of time and money.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lying to FBI is a crime. Make any mistake while talking to them and you can go to jail.

"When was the last time you talked to X?"

"Two weeks ago."

Actually it was one week ago. They can charge you now.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Is "I do not recall" a valid answer?

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 5 points 18 hours ago

The best thing to do is not to talk with them at all. It's not a trial, they can't force you.

[–] CaptSneeze@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

It depends which side of the aisle you’re on.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago (2 children)

[The Senators and Representatives] shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Beach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did their social media video take place in the legislature?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

I am not looking forward to potential litigation on that question.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's why they immediately jumped to treason, to try and bypass that immunity.

Though my question is: doesn't this just fall under the first amendment?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The speech and debate clause is separate from the arrest clause. The Treason exception only applies to the first part.

Additionally, Treason has a definition elsewhere in this document, and just giving any kind of speech doesn't meet the standard.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

It would be pretty hard to claim that any kind of speechifying amounts to "Aid and Comfort", especially if you can't identify the "Enemy" in a time when the nation is at peace.

Now the first amendment does apply here, but I expect a legal defense to go to this speech and debate clause first, then 1st amendment. Because 1st amendment has a bunch of exceptions of the "yelling fire in a crowded theater" type, but speech and debate is going to be more ironclad. Once you convince a court that you were doing Congressional speech or debate, then the only discipline you can face is from your chamber's rules, period.

[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like an open and shut case

[–] curbstickle@anarchist.nexus 10 points 2 days ago

"This should never have been opened."

Shut the case.

[–] ButteryMonkey@piefed.social 14 points 2 days ago

Oh cool, very normal.

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

hang republicans.

oh, are we not talking about solutions?

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Every single photo of this guy 😆

[–] tym@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Oh the irony of the reaction proving the video needed to be made... troops are people with family to protect and they are watching.

Any Democrat who voluntarily attends an "interview" is a fucking idiot.

[–] Wigglesworth@retrolemmy.com 3 points 2 days ago
[–] khepri@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Bring it on, this is a massive winning issue for dems.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Is Keystone Kash going to stand out in front of the Capitol and vow to track down these Democrats?