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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Yes.

They're hyperfocused on states rights. Fine. Here's the thing though - with rights come responsibilities. One can't claim the right to make one's own decisions, then dodge the responsibility for those decisions.

They.make their choices, they have to deal with the consequences themselves.

So they can grow the fuck up and join the modern world, or they can just wallow in their ignorance and incompetence. It's their problem - not ours.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

with great states rights comes great states responsibilities

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 66 points 4 days ago (6 children)

So. NO. This is what we are fighting against. We need to make a society where everyone can be included, happy, heallthy, and free. Not just exclude those we don't currently agree with.

Many of these hard core MAGA people are like super fans of a sports team. They are looking for something to identify as and a group to be part of. Give them better options and they wouldn't exist.

[–] jdredbeard@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The problem is that you can't separate most of MAGA from the hate. If a black person in Mississippi benefits from a federal state service, that cannot be tolerated, even if many whites benefit as well.

It's more important to protect a non-viable embryo, according to these people, than to protect the mother's life or health.

I feel like King Theoden from LotR, who says "What can men do against such reckless hate?" Though, it's valid to substitute "hatred" with "stupidity"

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[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Nope, fuck maga. i have no sympathy for nazis. they want to hate everything and everyone, let them be miserable in their little hate worlds.

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[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Secessionists are dangerous and malicious

This is simply what the red states want and it will not improve your lives but leave us with highly dangerous neighbors and a completely destroyed society

Do not fall for this shit

[–] blah3166@piefed.social 26 points 4 days ago

and plays exactly into what Putin wants, to weaken the US even further.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

No country can last forever, renewal is just as important for governments as forest fires are to restoring the balance in nature.

Is it painful? Yes.

Is it necessary eventually? Also yes.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So basically what we already have

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Do you think it can’t get much much worse?

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 46 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Never surrender a square inch of territory to those scumbags. Those states are ruled by corrupt, anti-democracy elites, and the decent people there deserve a chance, not to be written off.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The decent people can always get help to be resettled to civilization.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Care to elaborate on what you mean by that? Are you going to help pay the relocation expenses of left-leaning voters in red states?

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[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 32 points 4 days ago

They love secession so much.

They love Jesus so much.

Let them have both.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've got bad news: the oligarchs run the blue states as well. California gave us Palantir and X. Peter Thiel advocates for this exact same thing for fuck sake.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

They're the ones who benefit from stories or headlines like this.

As long as we think we're an "us versus them" across state lines, we're ignoring the fact that we're all under one management team, the wealthy assholes and deranged morons with all the money who play games with civilization like it's a game of... civilization.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago

This is exactly what the billionaires buying up all this farmland want. Cut the red states loose, then Amazon/Microsoft/Alphabet/etc sweep in and establish company ~~towns~~ nations.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Of course we all know that Republicans have no concern for human life unless it's an embryo.

This is not really true. Republicans do not really care about embryos any more than they care about the pro-life flags their voters fly. Like the flags, the embryo is just a symbol, a tool to be abandoned as soon as it has served its political purpose.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Yeah the main reason they care is because abortion gives women agency, the ability to control their own lives. In the conservative ideology women are subservient to men.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I would never forgive this country if it abandoned me.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The headline alone tells me this is bad-faith drivel, either meant to inflame tensions or to pander to the unrealistic "leftists" who think we'll have our glorious revolution aaaannnyyy day now.

The country is not "divorcing" we are nowhere close to a "civil war" and there will be a tomorrow. And a day after. And a day after that.

We can start pushing the pendulum back the other direction on the momentum of whatever the latest scandal is, we can have grass-roots campaigns for people who represent us, we can be more social and more active, we can plant gardens and donate to food banks and attend city council meetings. The whole thing goes on.

Do not trust or even believe headlines that inflame tensions or make things worse. We can work harder to make sure nobody is getting abandoned. We had huge setbacks but over the long arc of history, we are still making progress.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

but also… they’re arguing for small government. maybe y’all should start pushing in the same direction: make the federal government smaller, keep your blue state tax money, stop giving them as much… it’s what they want after all

and then use that money to form blue state coalitions: form a new, voluntary CDC, FDA, etc between aligned states that are far more robust than what you’ve been able to achieve with republican bad faith tampering

kinda like the EU model, but less central

(and if you didn’t see my instance, i’m aussie so i don’t really get a say, and nobody should let me influence anything - im not a citizen and i don’t live there or have to deal with as many consequences - unless you legitimately agree)

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[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Article author doesn't actually elaborate on what they mean precisely by "cut them loose" but from context it seems to be cut off all their federal funding.

Not even sure how you'd do that to be honest - even Trump's admin has struggled to legally withhold federal funds from states he hates, the funding gets pushed through in the end by legal action. So you wanna out-crime Trump? Dumb article.

If the author wants to make bold demands then along with that comes the requirement of suggesting how to achieve them, else it's just performative whining.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 14 points 3 days ago

Pure psychopath shit.

[–] buzz86us@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree sell them off to Mexico if were going to run the US like a business let's run it like private equity. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

why would Mexico take on bad debt?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

Might encourage them to build that wall after all.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Is... there any precedent or process for... un-granting statehood, and returning it to being a territory?

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

No.

But there's plenty of historical precedent for countries splintering.

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[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Would be useful if those fed dollars the author is decrying was much more than military jobs and general entitlements like ag grants, Medicaid, and SNAP. Like yeah, their legislators don't care about those folks either. But we ain't exactly pulling a TVA anymore here so playing like neolib Clinton era bare minimum spending on poverty is a grand handout is pretty silly. For the most part nobody in the South or the Rust belt has gotten shit post NAFTA. The new deal has been dead for a long time but we're sure they owe us for managing poverty.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Cut them loose and trail of tears every republican voter out of the blue states to live in their own backwards pedofile supporting cesspool

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

No. They're part of our country, and the only reason that they're "dead weight" is that the GOP lied to and propagandized their citizens for long enough to extract essentially all the capital out of the land and the people. Now they don't have enough to keep going on their own, and they're only as good to the Republicans as their electoral votes.

We have to keep them—that was part of the deal from the beginning, and it's the right thing to do—but we have to fight back against the propaganda so that the citizens can see what they could be without the GOP.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I've said it before, but we need to start shutting down all these miniscule towns that have no reason for existing. They are nothing but an economic and social drain on the country.

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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cut the Failed ~~Red~~ States Loose

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Failed and red basically are synonymous here

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

I meant the nation, in its entirety.

[–] jdredbeard@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I fact checked the ratios of federal spending to federal tax receipts, for the three states mentioned in the substack. https://smartasset.com/data-studies/states-most-dependent-on-the-federal-government-2022

Could I have help with more fact checking? The reasoning is sound, but I've been burnt before by poorly sourced opinion pieces

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