“If they’re not gonna run the programs, then what are we paying them for?” she said. “It’s like, you know, you’re paying us for a service and they’re not delivering. So let’s stop paying for it.”
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Finally, some fucking BALLS
All the bots on this site like to shit on Americans, "Why aren't you doing something?!" And the answer to the stupid question is that individual actions are pointless and that if we wanted to do something, you need a rallying point.
This is that rallying point. This is the kind of movement you can get behind to tell the feds to fuck off. I've said it before, I served my time, and I'm not sure I'd serve the country again right now, but I would 100% serve New Jersey.
You look at country that actually have balls and they don't need a rallying point to go out and do something. They all just do it and it becomes a group action by the very fact that most of them don't wait around for a signal.
The irony here is you calling people bots for asking why Americans haven't done something yet, but here you are waiting for people to tell you what to do before you do something, you know, like a bot does.
I kind of hope that actually goes through. Why should my tax dollars in a blue state go towards building a military base in Missouri which is also giving heavy subsidies to help the locals around there just afford to live and work near the base.
Red states can go ahead and do the same thing when a Dem is in control of the Fed Govt, it's not like they contribute anything anyways.
Missouri isnt really a good example considering MO tends to pay the federal government more than it receives. At worst they occasionally break about even. But the majority of the time they pay their fair share, unlike many other states
Absolutely nothing is stopping you from filing an IRS Form W-4 declaring yourself exempt from Federal tax withholding. Which is the only way to stop sending tax money to the Federal Gov’t, your state gov’t never touches your payments.
But you won’t do that, because you would personally experience consequences.
No taxation without representation. And Trump made it clear he only supports red states.
But it’s limited, because most of that distribution and transfer comes from individual taxpayers,
This is the real truth of it. You don't really have state governments sending tax payments to the federal government, they're not collecting the federal taxes from their residents. You'd basically have to get every employer in the state to stop sending in the tax payments on employees' behalf. And then every resident would have to also not pay those taxes individually.
I mean, it would be an amazing feat and a really strong signal to have that much unity to do it. But seems really unlikely for any state-wide population to be that well co-ordinated and unified.
This is the real truth of it.
There's always some naysayer in these threads with this tired aCkShUaLlY argument, and it is capitulative bullshit.
State payrolls are significant, any governor could easily setup an escrow account, divert all state payroll federal taxes to it, and use it for any shortfalls. They could then create a mechanism within their own state tax system and allow employers to opt in.
There’s always some naysayer in these threads with this tired aCkShUaLlY argument, and it is capitulative bullshit.
Giving people a false expectation on what a state government can unilaterally do here doesn't help anyone.
State payrolls are significant, any governor could easily setup an escrow account, divert all state payroll federal taxes to it, and use it for any shortfalls.
Of course. In most states that was under 20% of the population in 2021, and that percentage include federal government employees. So still >80% of the federal tax payments from residents aren't included in that.
They could then create a mechanism within their own state tax system and allow employers to opt in.
Yes, this is quite consistent with what I said about having to get employers to stop withholding tax payments for their employees. The state can provide a mechanism for the >80% of its residents who work in the private sector. And then it's up to all of them to go along with it.
I'm not sure what it is you needed to clarify for me or deride me over. You haven't aCkShUaLlY contradicted anything I said.
That's a great idea for state employees. We are also getting a much larger SALT deduction next year from the One Blows Bubba Bill. Salt cap goes up to $40k. So if New Jersey temporarily increases state income taxes to the level of federal taxes, they could shift the tax revenue away from federal and towards state taxes.
Oh now that's an interesting idea. Nice.
The state also pays a lot of people.
Yep, as of 2021 approx 15% of the state population was employed at the local, state, and federal level. So all the rest of NJ residents would have to work something else out with their employer of all be doing it individually. Unions could probably help get that organized, though.
Announce everyone in your state will have legal representation if they declare exempt
If a state did that, the Federal government would send armed men to arrest the Governor and state legislature for insurrection.
Might as well skip the bullshit and order the state police to start shooting Feds, instead of surrendering the initiative.
The people aren't represented in the government because the government is bought and paid for by billionaires.
This is the exact scenario for why we have the 2nd amendment: to rise up against tyranny and make sure the government serves its people, not the other way around.
The people aren't represented in the government because the government is bought and paid for by billionaires.
Funny enough the rich and libertarians will turn the tables when you point about legislations disproportionately favour them. "BuT wE aRe sTiLl cOnsTiTuEnTs". Yes, but with disproportionate influence that makes the rest of us poorer.
You have the second amendment because it was expensive to maintain a standing military at the time.
We have the second amendment because it was easiest way to prevent a slave uprising.
All blue states need to tell their citizens to declare exempt until the entire Trump administration and every last ice Gestapo is in prison
I’m not waiting for my state to catch on. Fuck this administration. I’m not represented, therefore I’m not paying.
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How does a state stop paying federal taxes? Is it not the people who pay the taxes?
Presumably, the state stops kicking up the federal government's share. And hopefully stops collecting it from state residents during tax season, instead of just pocketing it.
It doesn't. Politico, as usual, is publishing bullshit
It is unclear how such a proposal would work, and Sherrill’s transition team declined to elaborate.
It's a fine idea, but it'd be best implemented as an escrow account used to leverage the federal government into following the law.
What happened to Thoreau when he did the same?
Oh, right, prison.
Yes please