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submitted 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) by Stamets@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works
 

Now. Why am I wrong for Libre

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[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 110 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Whoever stole my MS office, I'll find you. You have my Word.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 21 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I hate you so much.

Have my upvote.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

PowerPoints at you, enthusiastically.

[–] boeman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

You Excel at this

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[–] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 56 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Want to work with .docx files written in English from someone who lives in a country whose main language isn't English? Better enjoy all your English words being marked as mispelt because fuck you.

[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Or maybe it's they were too stupid/lazy to Select All and set the text language to English? Even so, you can do that at any time as well.

[–] SpicyTaint@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

The specific files are generated automatically through some process based on a template, so I think they'd need to fix it there. I don't really deal with them myself, just remember seeing a coworker struggle with one.

[–] mech@feddit.org 53 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] brightandshinyobject@lemmy.world 17 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

massgrave.dev that's all I'm gonna say.

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[–] BenLeMan@lemmy.world 46 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (11 children)

Everyone complaining here about not being able to have unique footers or moving images or ignoring spelling errors just doesn't know what they're doing. You're literally the bad workman blaming the tool. I can do all of those things in Word.

If you prefer another tool, fine. But please stop shitting on things just because you don't understand them.

And PDF was never meant to be edited. Its sole purpose is to give you a document file which comes out exactly the same on computer screens and printers everywhere. Compact, reliable, compatible. If you need to replace parts of a PDF document post publication, it should be prepared using the Forms tools that are readily available in all good PDF suites.

By the way: I paid 30 Euros for an Office 2019 lifetime license. If ever that should not receive further updates then I'm ready to fork over another 30.

[–] AXLplosion@lemmy.zip 32 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I was working on my thesis a couple days ago using Word, and it permanently deleted a whole line of text when I pressed ctrl+Z to undo a mistake.

That happened with every line on the page until i copied everything to a different text editor and then copied it back to Word.

I respect your take but I will never respect Word.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Using word for a thesis sounds like a nightmare I would never dare to do

For big projects like that, stuff like LaTeX is so much better in my experience, you could even set up version control for it with, say, git, or similar

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"I love typing in ten thousand pounds of syntatic sugar"

-- me, an idiot who used embedded images for formulas in a markdown file which gets converted into a PDF

"Totally way easier than LaTeX, I swear"

[–] fbr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You may benefit from checking out Typst which gives all of the benefits (and some more) of LaTeX, but without all of the syntax garbage.

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[–] baines@lemmy.cafe 12 points 7 hours ago

lol imagine blaming paid users for ms shit workflow

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, it's so weird seeing all the ones being proud of their tech illiteracy.

All because, right clicking.

Is too much for their small brains to handle.

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago

You're holding it wrong

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 39 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Want to make the header or footer on this page unique? Eat a bag of dicks.

Want to add a letter to an item in a table without fucking up the formatting of every document ever created across known time and space? Guck you.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Spell checking for this comment coming to you from Microsoft

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I use SwiftKey - so that's legitimately true.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Microsoft has had a monopoly on office software since the 90s. They illegally leveraged this monopoly to try to destroy competition in other areas. Most infamously, they destroyed Netscape to try to kill competition in the early Internet space. That resulted in a trial for illegally abusing their monopoly which they lost. Then George W. Bush was elected president, and somehow Microsoft effectively got off with essentially no punishment. Admittedly though, part of that was that the judge in the case was so outraged at some of the stuff Microsoft pulled (submitting falsified evidence, having Bill Gates lie under oath repeatedly) that he talked about it in public when he shouldn't, which opened a door for Microsoft to try to weasel out of the loss.

The "evil" in Google's motto "Don't be evil" was widely viewed as being Microsoft. Google was an Internet company in an age where Microsoft was on trial for using their power to make everything about the Internet shitty so that they could control it. In the early days of Google, people weren't even allowed to use Microsoft software, including Windows, without a special dispensation from the higher-ups. Microsoft effectively avoided any kind of punishment for their abuse of their monopoly, but it distracted them and made them cautious, so they weren't able to crush Google before it could get going. Before anybody chimes in about how Google is evil, first read up in what Microsoft did. Google might be a bit shady, but where Google got its monopoly by spending hundreds of billions to make its search engine the default, Microsoft used tactics to destroy potential competitors and drive them out of business.

If the US (and the world) had effective enforcement of the anti-monopoly laws, Word would actually have to compete on its own merits. But, because it's a monopoly, Microsoft can just sit back and keep collecting rent.

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[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 23 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

Wanna know something fun about Office?
The keyboard shortcuts are localized.

YES, REALLY.

If you press Ctrl+S when running in Portuguese, it doesn't save, it underlines the word instead (Because the word for it is "Sublinhar").

Whoever is responsible for this decision won't die, when their time comes they'll be swallowed alive by the earth and welcomed into the 10th circle of hell, created for them exclusively.

The 11th circle is reserved for he who decided to localize the Excel Formula Functions too.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 7 points 1 hour ago

I sure am glad I just use English on all my devices despite it not being my native language.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 hours ago

I thought my respect for Word had troughed.

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[–] muse@piefed.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 hours ago

Want to automate your office document? Enjoy making your business dependent on a language

  • that will be a dead end for your developer career
  • where arrays can start at 0 or 1
  • where checking for an array involves ignoring an error and resuming
  • that is guaranteed to be broken a future patch
  • that has to be given permission to run in a security center
[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Libre Office isn't just a usable substitute for Word and the rest of Office. It is downright superior -- it being free and open source need not even be in the equation. I tried to use Word on my partner's laptop the other day and all I could think was "what is this crap??".

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 16 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Just for the record, people who are used to Word say the same about Libre Office.

Unfortunately, how familiar we are with a tool is much more important to us than how good it is.

[–] brisk@aussie.zone 4 points 5 hours ago

There's a lot of subjective differences between Word and Writer.

Image placement is not one of them. Writer gives you the anchor and asks exactly where you would like it put.

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[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

I have made so many thousands of dollars in consulting fees because people don't know about the "align object: over text" option. I would even show them, and they'd still call me back the next week offering money.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 7 hours ago

Because nobody got ever fired for choosing Microsoft. It's like that with a lot of stuff. It's the default choice because everybody else uses it, good or not. Almost nobody is going to stick their neck outs to chose something differently.

The business world in a nutshell, borrowed from Dead Poets Society: https://youtu.be/nJ_htuCMCqM

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Word 5.1a for Macintosh is still peak word processing.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 hours ago

I have fond memories of ClarisWorks 4.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Did you ever try typing "I want to kill Bill Gates," highlighting it, and checking for suggested corrections, in which it would list "I'll drink to that."

Back when computers couldn't possibly have gotten more advanced

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 hours ago (10 children)

WYSIWYG editors are often the worst thing to ever exist. (See: Dreamweaver) I don't know how Word has managed to stay alive for so long.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 hours ago

I remember a blog post about about how WYSIWYG editors should be called "what you see doesn't prepare you for the eldritch horrors that lurk below the surface" editors.

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Tbf, most Microsoft software sucks. Everything they touch gets sticky and moldy, like SwiftKey and Skype.

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[–] misspelledusernme@piefed.social 5 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

You can edit PDFs on libre?

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 hours ago (6 children)

How is pdf the standard also?

It’s got way too many features like 3d rendering. It’s proprietary. Simple things like copy and paste from a paper with columns does not work and is basically an unsolved AI problem.

Like, it mostly renders the same, but fonts, OCR, etc are different between viewers, and the official Adobe reader/acrobat are totally enshittified with AI that they don’t work anymore.

[–] plenipotentprotogod@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Have you ever tried to look under the hood and interact with a pdf programmatically? I assure you it only gets worse.

A while ago I tried to write a small script to scrape data out of some account statements that my idiot bank only made available in pdf format. As far as I could tell, the file was just a list of tiny chunks of text along with sets of x/y coordinates specifying where each one should be placed on the page. Answering seemingly simple questions like "are these two words on the same line?" Involved comparing raw y-coordinates because the file had no concept of a "line of text", and even spaces between words were often simulated by bumping the x-coordinate over by a few pixels instead of using an actual space character.

I suspect those files were generated by a particularly bad piece of software, and a more competent one could probably do much better, but knowing that its even possible to create a file that cursed is still infuriating to me.

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[–] vodka@feddit.org 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 3 points 8 hours ago

Now just need to connect it to a Samsung Smart fridge.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. Might depend on how the PDF was saved or if it's protected, but it can open and export PDF format. Gimp can too, however that would be really more graphics editing as doing text is cumbersome.

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