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[–] rimu@piefed.social 114 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Same thing is happening in Iraq.

After all the fighting, suffering and genocide in the region, it'll all be for nothing once climate change makes it uninhabitable.

[–] Ugurcan@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago

It was the oil wells and not the people who’s been “liberated” all along.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

If there had been less spent on war they could have built some infrastructure to help with the situation.

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[–] anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz 75 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 47 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Thanks.

Iranian law stipulates that 85 percent of domestic food be produced locally, Morad Kaviani, professor of geography and hydropolitics at Iran’s Kharazmi University, told state television last week.

However, he added, Iran does not have the water and soil capacities, and nearly 30 percent of agricultural produce is wasted due to a lack of infrastructure, outdated irrigation practices and misguided crop selection.

Sounds like one of the biggest root disasters, eh?

So, this situation may only slightly be related to AGCC, but it does seem ominous in painting a certain picture of the future. I wonder if and when Russia and China step in, here...

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So US sanctions and hostility basically caused the water crisis because they're forced to maintain food security by growing it at home.. In essentially a desert

[–] JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Eh, reading the first article, it sounds like it was even more than that, as in: too much middle-management involved in making key water decisions, too much zeal post-revolution in building new dams, too much waffling and inadequate resoluteness at the leadership levels across several decades.

In other words, the sanctions were no doubt a major blow, but the real issue seems to be how Iran responded to the blow. Plus a bunch of other stuff on top that didn't help.

Meanwhile, something I have no idea about is whether Iran's regional allies, plus China & Russia, could have used trade and such to help offset the sanctions in the first place..?

[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, something I have no idea about is whether Iran’s regional allies, plus China & Russia, could have used trade and such to help offset the sanctions in the first place…?

They could almost certainly offset it enormously. Rice and beans shipped in from China are unlikely to cost much more than those from the US.

My bet is that "85% domestic production" threshold is less a result of sanctions, and more either (a) self-imposed isolationism, or (b) protectionist policies designed to empower one or other political faction in the country.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Iran has open trade relations with China, Russia, and Turkey, which all have significant agricultural output. It also does quite a bit of trade with Europe despite sanctions. It does not have to artificially limit itself to importing only 15% of its food, especially given that irrigation is contributing to an unsustainable water crisis.

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[–] Whitebrow@lemmy.world 7 points 18 hours ago

Protip; first time you use an acronym, parse it, and then you can continue referring to it with the abbreviation.

ROFL (rolling on the floor laughing) as an example could be used to denote something that was, to the receiver, funnier than LOL (laughing out loud)

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[–] itkovian@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 26 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

My first grade teacher swore WW3 would be over clean water.

Hes been proven more and more right as time goes on.

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[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 22 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

What ya mean "no water"? Are they all relying on bottled water, like the whole country? Cant watch youtube

[–] swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

There’s a good real life lore video on nebula. They killed their traditional agricultural system with an extractive well water fueled one which depletes aquifers. Neighboring rivers from other countries got dammed. They rerouted their own rivers for dams and dried out lakes and flooded a salt deposit making the whole river salty. They also focus a lot on domestic agriculture at the expense of water depletion. All around poor mismanagement using outdated American plans to build their dam infrastructure without environmental assessments.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Wait wait wait.

Sooo... a theocratic nation lead by irrational bigots, using decades old ultracapitalistic plans... aren't getting shit done?

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[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 29 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Let's just not talk about how the US overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a puppet who was deeply unpopular and was later overthrown after a revolution which caused the current leader to be in power due to a power vacuum which then lead to deep sanctions from US and US allies so they've had to try and be self sufficient.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 30 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

From what I've heard, the current government tapped the groundwater table to push farming. Now, there isn't enough groundwater to accommodate the difference between water demand and river water.

It sucks for Iran.

[–] Vupware@lemmy.zip 29 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will completely disregard this cautionary tale and continue to extract groundwater to farm until only saltwater remains.

Then, as billions of people are dying of starvation, thirst, and societal downfall, the elite will finally prioritize desalination R&D and if/when they get something to work they will hail it as a revolutionary step for humanity and completely disregard the fact that this R&D / subsequent proliferation could have been initiated decades ago when the problem was first apparent.

Voila, no more overpopulation crisis, and water, what the civilized world once considered a human right, is now used as a method for exerting control, as it is only ever potable (sans rainwater) after being processed.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 22 points 14 hours ago

Parts of the US, like all the major cities in Texas, are actively sinking because we're draining the aquifers that took millennia to fill. It's yet another problem just festering, fascinating to watch as the reality approaches.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Lol oh look, people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking; I wonder how often that happens!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

people in power are myopic and prioritize short term benefice over long term thonking

I'm not sure "maintaining adequate levels of domestic crop yield" is a short-term benefit. They're stretched for water because they're in a historic drought during a climate catastrophe. This is a no-win situation, exacerbated by the constant threat of military invasion by nuclear superpowers and their rabid fascist local proxies.

The Iranian government can't summon rain from the heavens any easier than their Saudi or Qatari neighbors. Those states just have the benefit of access to western markets and engineering firms for enormous desalination plants. Meanwhile, Iranians' energy infrastructure - necessary to run the pumps and pipelines that irrigate much of the country - have been subject to repeated bombardment by Israeli and US aircraft. Most notably, their civilian nuclear program was crippled by Trump's B-2 bombing run in June. But this is just the tail end of the damage inflicted by the eleven day shootout with Israel.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

And yet other articles were blaming corruption and cronyism for not adequately limiting water used for agriculture

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[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Also related is the Water conflict in the Middle East and North Africa caused by dams, although Iran seems to not be reliant on waterflows from elsewhere. Maybe low rainfall and bad distribution of resources

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 6 points 13 hours ago

Yeah they've talked about how Iran has been in a drought for quite a while. It's like utah, we've been in a drought for 20 plus years at this point we had one good water year last year and for the first time in quite a while came out of our drought status and everybody just kind of forgot and then all of a sudden by the end of the summer most the state was back in a drug in severe drought status again I can't wait for all of our idiotic agriculture here to dry up the water table just like it has over there.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I feel for the innocent civilians who did not ask for or deserve this.

But I feel nothing for the ones who stood beside the brutal regime and made more enemies than competent allies.

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[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe that nuke money should have gone into solving this problem

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[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

But they do have plenty of oil, right?

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, but it's not as healthy to drink.

[–] thr0w4w4y2@sh.itjust.works 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I guarantee a pint of crude oil contains all the calories you need for the rest of your life.

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[–] l_isqof@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Mediterranean diet mate, you're missing out on the best stuff...

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Coming soon to the USA, but under the Christo-Fascist fuck nuts.

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