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It's the first time in NBC News polling across five different violent incidents that there has been bipartisan agreement blaming extreme rhetoric from political and media figures.

More than 6 in 10 registered voters said they think “extreme political rhetoric” was an important contributor to the killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk earlier this year — including majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents, according to the latest NBC News poll.

The findings represent a grim milestone in America’s reckoning with growing political violence and its root causes. The survey marks the first time, across questions about five different violent incidents over 15 years of NBC News polling, that there has been cross-partisan agreement that rhetoric played an important role in an attack, as opposed to the incident having been more about the actions of a single disturbed person.

Overall, 61% of respondents said they feel that “extreme political rhetoric used by some in the media and by political leaders was an important contributor” to Kirk’s killing.

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[–] Regna@lemmy.world 134 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, Kirk’s own political rhetoric was pretty extreme and violent.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not as violent or extreme as the groypers who killed him for not being violent and extreme enough tho...

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 16 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Did I miss credible evidence coming out that he was a groyper?

Last I heard that theory had been retracted because it was based on a misidentification of the markings on the shell casings.

[–] wizbiz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 hours ago

He basically killed himself

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I mean yeah, there's no question that extremist rhetoric got him killed. and yeah I'd have to say it's far more of his own style of it. The part that baffles me is how it's only 60%, unless they somehow posed it as rhetoric against him. To me that question is as basic as saying "did gun violence have anything to do with his death?", uhh yeah.

I have feeling the question is vaguely worded so that they can then try and tear it to say "is it people saying he supports facism the reason for the violence". So that they can push to criminalize describing reality and pointing out real problems, because some people might try to solve problems with violence.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 64 points 15 hours ago

Reminder that 99% of terrorism this century has been right wing

The day people stop hearing right wing voices is the day most political violence ends.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago

he was killed by a conservative

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Extreme in which direction?

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, ask these people to define what they mean by "rhetoric" and I bet this common ground dissolves pretty quickly

Republicans blamed rhetoric by the widest margin, 73%-19%, but independents (53%-28%) and Democrats (54%-34%) were also much more likely to blame extreme political rhetoric as a factor than to discount it.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

How about asking what they think about white wing terrorism

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 13 hours ago

In same way that water is contributing to drowning.

[–] pyria@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 14 hours ago

Root causes, huh, like instilling a president that has had a history of actively rooting for his voterbase to "fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". Among other violent rallying cries.

[–] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 hours ago

Say stupid shit, get popped.

[–] Sho@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (2 children)
[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

Just another school shooting victim. No need to know his name.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago

Just another gang shooting at a school. Don't worry about it

[–] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 3 points 12 hours ago

I wasn't aware that guns responded to violent rhetoric! Perhaps they should be more carefully restricted if they just go off like that.