Religion is just a complicated excuse for violence
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Zionism is a political ideology, not religious. In fact it's completely opposed to judaism as it has existed for thousands of years. It's goals are explicitly political (eg. genocide and ethnic cleansing) without any relation to the actual religion of judaism. For this reason it's anti-semitic to claim that zionism is a jewish or religious ideology.
The only religion here is fascism - the worship of the state.
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Dude don't blame this on religion. This is Zionism and fascism, both of which are post-Enlightenment Western inventions through and through.
Religion is excellent cover for it, though.
No? Religion can both support and oppose fascism, but looking at Hitler and Mussolini and thinking "religion did this" is frankly ahistorical and is nothing but a way for atheists to feel better about themselves.
You've reversed the order, and that doesn't work.
"Religion enables violence" is not the same as "All violence is caused by religion."
"Religion enables violence" is not the same as "All violence is caused by religion."
Yes, and I'm saying that religion had very little to do with Hitler's inherently race-based ideology. Hell, the Nazis defined Jews via their ancestry, not their religious observance. What did religion have to do with the Generalplan Ost or the Aryan race?
Aryan race stuff, as exemplified in 19th and 20th century racial superiority, actually starts with lingustics.
Yes, and I'm saying that religion had very little to do with Hitler's inherently race-based ideology.
Okay? You're the only one talking about that, and nobody is disagreeing with you. Although I might add that Hitler and his ilk were kind of famously into the occult. Perhaps not a religion, but certainly religious.
Let me rephrase: Yes, and I'm saying that religion had very little to do with Hitler's inherently race-based ideology, even as a cover. Nazis were religious to the extent that everyone at the time was religious, but religion was just another thing they pandered to and didn't have a big role to play in their activities except insofar as all non-Nazi ideologies—religious or not—were targets of extermination.
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How many wars have been fought because of religion? Religions very commonly use fear as a method of control (Christians even invented hell just for that purpose). This makes them unfortunately well suited for fascist takeover.
The shit? The pioneers of fascism—Hitler and Mussolini—appealed to the Enlightenment-era ideologies of race and nationalism a lot more than they appealed to religion, and Ben Gurion was an atheist. Then in modern Israel you have liberal Jews and ultraorthodox Jews, who are both equally supportive of the genocide of Palestinians for Lebensraum (though liberal Jews are more likely to prioritize getting the hostages back). MAGA is also built on nationalism, race ideology and a notion of a "great America", with religion only taking an auxiliary role. Again, fascism and Zionism were invented in and keep being practiced by the least religious region in the world; don't make this the fault of religion because it's quite obviously not. Religion isn't the cause of everything you don't like. Y'all invented this shit so own it.
Lmao what? The Nazi Party publicly and loudly identified with religion and persecuted and purged the Jews who had been treated awfully by Christians in Europe for centuries. Sure Hitler wanted to see the end of Christianity, but he was quite religious himself per the Goebbels Diaries: "The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed." So privately Hitler was religious, and publicly the Nazis were religious, and one of the most sickening, widespread, and prominent atrocities they committed was the persecution and genocide of a religious minority.
I would argue that even though they identified a bit with Christianity, they weren’t religious. The nazis used lots of christian symbolisms and rhetorics due to cultural heritage as a way of garnering support.
But, stating that nazis were religious as in they adopted clear doctrines and rituals is fallacious, their philosophical beliefs were more akin to pantheism than anything else.
The Nazi Party publicly and loudly identified with religion
Okay and? Did you want them to be outspoken atheists in 1920s Germany?
Most historians argue he was prepared to delay conflicts for political reasons and that his intentions were to eventually eliminate Christianity in Germany, or at least reform it to suit a Nazi outlook.
and persecuted and purged the Jews who had been treated awfully by Christians in Europe for centuries.
Okay and? Antisemitism was already a thing independent of the Christianity that created it. The Nazis also went after leftists, (forgot to complete that sentence so edit:) Romas, Catholics and Slavs, among others.
"The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race. This can be seen in the similarity of their religious rites. Both (Judaism and Christianity) have no point of contact to the animal element, and thus, in the end they will be destroyed." So privately Hitler was religious, and publicly the Nazis were religious,
Yeah why do you want them to be atheists? Nearly everyone was religious back then, so obviously they were going to be religious too. And in the first place, Hitler repeatedly challenged orthodox religious beliefs in his time, so if anything to him Christianity was a pain in the ass that he needed to deal with and not a part of his ideology. He also persecuted non-Nazi Christians almost as soon as they took power.
and one of the most sickening, widespread, and prominent atrocities they committed was the persecution and genocide of a religious minority.
See above.
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How many wars have been fought for a state? Every single one.
Adding to this, PunkRockSportsFan ignores that religion has been used to end violence. Christianity was a huge part in the US abolitionist movement.
I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument. Again, religion had nothing to do with it besides giving conviction to anyone based on what they feel, in their head, god wants. Abolitionists were religious just like every other person in america in 1880, and Abolitionists were not the majority.
Ever heard of the Quakers? Quite a few * other sects.
Were they the ones for abolition? I always associate them more with the revolution than the civil war but I could be mixing them up with the whigs
I mean you can't play that card when the entirety of slavery was justified by that same Christianity up until the point that a civil war ended the argument.
Uh... No? Slavers made up race to justify slavery specifically because they couldn't use Christianity to justify it anymore.
Ah okay so just up to that point lmao
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And pedophilia! Don't forget about all the Pedophiles!
I'd like to say that so are zombie films and media.
zombies have become an excuse to dehumanize and glorify justifiable violence against humans at this point.
Fuck liberal Zionists for complaining about progroms for all these decades. This is what you enabled. Fuck all the talk about two state solutions. Israel should no longer exist unless it becomes a multi ethnic democracy with full rights for Palestinians.
Signed,
A Jewish guy
How hard would it be to have a complete religious schism from the Israelis? They are lost and irredeemable.
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Are these people even self-aware? OMG.
Yes, entirely. That's why they say it's a good plan but not practical. Israel is a genocidal ethnostate; it's citizens are nazis.
I guess you missed the riots in tel Aviv over Israel's right to rape palestinians in captivity. Not against it, but against the government investigating and charging the prison guards with the rape and sexual assault of dozens of Palestinians who were imprisoned. It is unironically the most depraved country on earth and we pay their fucking rent.
Israel is so unbelievably cooked as a society holy shit.
This is a damning result for Israeli society.
I have minimal knowledge of sociological research in Israel/Palestine, but if this result is an accurate representation of the views of Israeli Jews, then we can with confidence say that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews support genocidal colonialism.
Always has been. Look up Tel Aviv University's peace index for more despair juice. There should be a findings link if you want to see the depravity of Jewish Israeli society in detail.
Holocausts for thee but not for me
The only bad genocide is our genocide.
Hard to feel bad for the genocided when they become the genociders.
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