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[–] razorcandy@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

According to hundreds of open-text responses, many consumers view the name debate as unnecessary or just “symbolic politics.” The majority prefer to see a focus on more urgent societal issues.

The reasoning behind the ban is supposedly to prevent consumers from accidentally purchasing plant-based products instead of meat ones…but plant-based products are often sold in their own sections and have distinctive packaging. Having “burger” or “sausage” in the name suggests what the product is intending to replace, which is helpful to people looking for alternatives to these products, especially if they have recently switched to a plant-based diet.

Overall, what a non-issue.

[–] Longpork3@lemmy.nz 14 points 1 week ago

The issue is back to front even. Go read the ingredients on all of the products proudly procliaming themselves "plant based", and you'll find a significant number containing animal products, trying to tap into the vegan market without acatually making vegan products and using weasely terms to justify themselves because they never explicitly said it was "vegan".

[–] Kuma@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

And it also becomes a stupid topic for those languages were words like sausage is literally just a shape like in Swedish were it can be used for poop too lol

It sounds more like this law is supposed to stop the plans based industry. Like you said it is easier for the curious ppl (like kids) to test something that they understand and know how to cook. I thought we were fighting for the environment.

[–] Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This whole discussion is a big nothing-burger, designed to divide and distract the people from real issues. Just have a look at who voted for this, majority right wing and eurosceptical factions. To sow distrust, paint the EU as a bunch of idiots who have nothing better to do, who want to regulate your daily life, who thinks the citizens are a bunch of children.
Now everyone is talking about this stupid measure because it makes great headlines, forgetting to mention that this vote does not have any regulatory and legal impact. The only thing it does is that the parliament has to discuss it, which is a long way from turning this into a law.

But it's great for the outrage mill, makes amazing headlines (for a while) which sow distrust and division and also lots of ridicule towards the EU.
Someone's gonna profit from it one way or the other and everyone else will be dumber just for having this shoved in our faces.

It is Brexit all over again.

[–] sadparty@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Nothing-~~burger~~ Nothing-"preformed vegetable disc" ;)

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nobody, in the history of mankind, has been confused by the term veggie burger.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well tbf I have. Cause sometimes veggie means vegan and sometimes it means vegetarian and now I just avoid products with the term altogether :<

Just put "vegan burger" on there pls

[–] KraeuterRoy@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't recall ever having seen a vegan product that isn't explicitly labeled as such. Usually with an extra seal/blob/design element that makes it pop out of the surrounding design.

So, to me at least, veggie always just means vegetarian.

But I have to admit that that's not something I usually focus on.

[–] wondrous_strange@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah if it's not clearly marked vegan but also says veggie then it pretty obvious in my opinion too. Could be vigan(most likely not) and that I should check.

If it's something that is supposed to taste like something that came from animals, I'm pretty certain you'll always see it marked vegan if it is

[–] svddendesire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I see a lot of products called "vegetal" are actually vegetarian, with milk or eggs.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social -1 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing a vegetarian burger patty, which contained egg whites. That was in a German supermarket. Maybe we've been fooled by the same one.

[–] stray@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe margarine should be pink.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

Like the slime they make the chicken nuggets from?

[–] svddendesire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

Remember, the deputy who proposed that also said that France recognizing Palestine was not the right moment and not a priority. But lobbying is.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The numbers show that the problem is not with the packaging but with the supermarket shelves. The proximity of meat and plant-based alternatives leads to confusion; simply banning names would likely have little impact.

This coincides with a pet peeve of mine: strategical supermarket shelving. When in previous decades there were separate sections for different types of produce, these are now mixed in thematically somehow. So, as an example, before there was refrigerated vegan products in one section, sausage/meat products in another, now there's a section for "things to put on bread".
Before there was an organic section, now organic food is mixed in with "normal" food and you have to look for a label.

This is no doubt to make customers buy more, but I fail to see how exactly. It just pisses me off. I might spend more time in the shop because of that but not more money.
I have practiced economical shopping, comparing prices and ingredients, for decades. I am not changing my habits.

They also want me to bend down more often - but that's OK.

Many see this as a sideshow. According to hundreds of open-text responses, many consumers view the name debate as unnecessary or just “symbolic politics.” The majority prefer to see a focus on more urgent societal issues.

A certain type of voter gets riled up very nicely when you even suggest that eating less meat is an option. Therefore it's specifically right-wing populist Symbolpolitik.

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

People are more likely to buy product products and proximity to whatever it is they’re trying to cook. Makes perfect sense to have all the “stuff you put on a sandwich” ingredients and close proximity, rather than having a separate section for organic or plant-based alternatives.

A shopper who wants specifically vegetarian or vegan options has to make a special trip to that section which may be in some other part of the store. That leads to less sales for those specialty products and higher turnover.

But up non-discerning shopper might decide to try a plant-based option simply because it’s next to their usual option, or they might buy it by accident. Either way that’s a win for the retailer because someone bought a product they may not have otherwise.

Unfortunately most of these legislations fall to the consumer to make informed decisions with limited education and information, while at the same time battling deceptive practices of the retailer and manufacturer.

The whole reason a lot of these regulations even exist in the first place is the widespread deception of manufacturers lying about their ingredients or quality of ingredients and the danger of making people sick or tricking them into making purchases.

[–] hanke@feddit.nu 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Just create icons for foods as we've done for recyclables.

Milk carton? Paper icon. Detergent bottle? Plastic icon.

Veggie burger? Vegetarian icon. Vegan burger? Vegan icon.

Then you can just skip all this naming politics and call it whatever you like. Just require the appropriate icons on the front of the packaging.

Meat/poultry/fish should be their own icons as well imo.

I don't know if there's any good reason not to do this, but it seems like a good idea to me.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Veggie burger? Vegetarian icon. Vegan burger? Vegan icon.

This is already happening because the producers aren't stupid. Unlike certain politicians, apparently.

[–] svddendesire@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You expect people that can't understand that a thing called "veggie meat" or "plant based burger" is not animal meat to see a tiny icon?

[–] wondrous_strange@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

So make big icon?

[–] helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If they're going to do that they should also ban french tacos.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah that really is an abomination.

Certainly after most French supermarkets stopped selling hard taco shells as they weren't authentic.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Nothing happens. Thats it. Of course they could just mandate that all non animal based meat substitutes have a huge clearly visible label. Even better force them to make all plant based meat substitutes be green.

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

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Something along the lines of Mexico’s labeling for excessive sugar etc would work well enough if adapted to “vegan/veggie/meat” etc.

The underlying issue here is it manufacturers try to hide what’s in their products and rely on people not taking the time to look at label ingredients or what they’re actually buying.

Better labeling requirements would solve a lot of these issues.