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[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The corporate liberals are gutting taxes on private jets, yachts and unused housing while Mark Carney is telling struggling canadians to make sacrifices.

[–] GrindingGears@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago

It's a very conservative-ish budget. The liberals are now the conservatives, and the conservatives are now the anti-christ.

[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

oh and don't forget they also want to give $1billion to AI development over the next 5 years.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Yeah, that we are already benefiting enormously economically from our early investments in AI, it would be dumb not to continue, especially at a time when the US is scaring away many top international researchers.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 8 points 1 day ago

I kept reading on here how Carney was such a smart choice, because of his work with the Bank of Canada and the Bank of England. Not like that job scream "fucking over the poor" or anything... /s

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (14 children)

It's absolutely horrible. How disconnected are these fucking people???

I told everyone on here that voting in Mark Carney was going to be a big mistake. I was right. Yet, there are still people on here saying "give him a chance, he's the best option we have". No. actually. He's not, and I see what happens when we "give him a chance"?? He fucks average Canadians over for the benefit of the rich.

They're stuck in this 80's Reagan-Thatcher-Mulroney era of neo-liberalism trickle down bullshit and they can't see outside that fucking box.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

What was the alternative? I would have loved to vote NDP, and usually do in local elections, but they stood no chance. I wasn't so much voting for Carney as against Poilievre.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Withhold your volunteering and donating to the liberals since they already get so much money from the rich consistently. They will always put their interests before everyday canadians.

Strategically vote if you have to and redirect your efforts to the independents, fairvote and smaller parties.

[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Who says I donate and volunteer??? I have never done that for any political party.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Okay, and Pollievre would be better?

Singh was completely cooked since the 2021 election, running him again and with such poor messaging was entirely the NDP’s fault. It was not fear-mongering.

Singh’s numbers had been publicly decreasing for years, he lost seats in past elections, and the NDP decided to run a ton of single issue candidates run whose whole platform was Palestine.

Meanwhile the party quietly did have a decent pro middle class platform, but didn’t really message that and got too caught up on how tax cuts also affect the rich (up to a very small amount of their income).

I’m sorry but there was only one choice this election. I would have loved a real NDP choice, they chose not to.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Maybe canada should stop preaching about human right values if they still support the longest standing occupation in the world. NPD platform was not about palestine only. Outside of the debate npd never talked about Palestine in the compaign

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Voting for the Conservatives was going to be an even bigger mistake.

No idea why you think the Liberals were the worst of the two options available.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Only two parties were realistically capable of forming a government in that election. One was led by Carney, the other by Pollievre.

You're saying going with the Carney option was a "big mistake?"

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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean what choice did we have? we didn't. It was either a conservative in a liberal furry suit, A wanna-be apple munching trump, or a guy that has never had an original thought pass through his head.

We were fucked. we realized we were fucked. And we decided the fake liberal was the way to go. Canadian politics are so fucked our choices are conservative, ultra conservative, or a weak wannabe democrat party.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a third, even fourth option. A strong NDP in a minority government would've gone a long way.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

In a minority Liberal government, perhaps. I don't see a Conservative minority government being particularly interested in working with the NDP.

[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (5 children)

“give him a chance, he’s the best option we have”. No. actually. He’s not

What was the better option?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Jack_Burton@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Unfortunately they weren't an option though. NDP members even encouraged NDP voters to vote Liberal to stop the Conservatives. The NDP should have been an option, but they weren't. The NDP were only an "option" this election in the same way the Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada or the Animal Protection Party were options; they exist.

I have hopes (probably unrealistic) that the NDP comes back swinging HARD, screaming about social services, programs, and taxes on the wealthy, and not shutting up leading up to 2029. I hope Mamdani in NY can prove in his first 3 months leading up to when the NDP has their leadership vote that if social programs can work in the US, we can significantly increase those structures here.

The NDP can be relevent again for the next election (I hope), but they just weren't for this last one.

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[–] Amuletta@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They stood no realistic chance of getting in.

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[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Carney being a fiscal conservative / pro-free market / pro-private sector business person isn't a surprise to anyone who's paid attention to his career. That the liberals are a centrist party who's values skew left / right based on the perceived 'majority' that exists in the centre, which is the demographic they attempt to target to get elected, isn't a surprise to anyone who's paid attention to the history of the liberal party. That Canada's general sentiment is/had shifted towards the right, in part due to the perception of unequal treatment under the guise of initiatives such as DEI and equity programs, isn't a surprise to anyone who's followed social trends (at least, those who try to get a fairly 'outside of an echo chamber' feel for them).

This isn't to say I support the tax breaks being given to the rich of course. If I had my way, we'd go in a much different direction. All I'm trying to get at is that this isn't all that surprising to many, and it's likely still an outcome they viewed as preferable to PP's conservatives, and to the NDP. Hell, the NDP basically said vote liberal if it helped to stop the Cons.

I'm sure part of the hope is that the liberals will shift right far enough, that the cons won't have a viable path to full control of the government. In theory that'll open up more room for the NDP on the left. Where people who are for some reason 'shocked' by Carney's moves, will find solace.

What's more shocking to me in a way is how far to the left the Liberals had drifted, as a centrist party. That's what opened up opportunities for the cons to make such large gains, and what caused the NDP to be so thoroughly routed. Seeing cons cross the isle because the Liberals are once again more 'centrist' in their values, isn't a bad thing.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

It's definitely something I expected to happen and still prefer over PP and the conservatives being in charge, but even though I didn't vote NDP doesn't mean I prefer this outcome over NDP being in power.

I voted liberal because my riding is largely conservative and it would be lucky to turn red and a miracle to go orange

If we had a different electoral system I would have gone 1 NDP 2 Green 3 Liberal and 4 Conservative in ranked choice.

Unfortunately we are currently stuck with first past the post leading to my riding voting blue with a narrow lead over red and hardly any voters for orange and green.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This is f-tier toxic social media rage bait.

She's says literally nothing of substance, just makes sweeping generalizations to try and get outraged for clicks.

Go read actual written journalism.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 43 minutes ago

I can only listen to this presenter for a short time anyway. The vocal fry gets to me pretty quickly.

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