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Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)

The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).

I agree with the point made by the OP :

The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.

I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far

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[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just for donating to hyprland? An absolutely overkill reaction.

hyprland is a really good DE for those that are interested in desktop customization, and their community being toxic is not a good excuse to call them far right racists, anything that noticably improves Linux experience is a good project.

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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

As a former long-time Ruby developer who also used Rails (Ruby since 2006, Rails came along for me later), I’ve always known DHH was a total douchebag.

It’s nice to know he’s being super obvious about it now. He’s always been awful. He’s just been slightly quieter about it, other than buying million-dollar cars and pretending he’s still relevant.

Edit to add that here’s a presentation talking about “The DHH problem” in 2014. The updates are darkly humorous.

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Hyperland sounds more like edgelords.

The DHH fellow is a full on Nazi-style racist.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The elephant in the room more people need to pay attention to that many of us who work in IT are painfully intimate with.

Many IT people are hardcore libertarians who believe in some warped idea that they are where they are through their intelligence and hardwork while completely ignoring many of them come from backgrounds that afforded them the opportunities they are taking advantage of.

100% many of them are sexist, racist and bigoted pieces of shit that hide it at work because they're adept at masking the fact that a lot of them are borderline autistic at worst and neurodivergent at best.

This is also why you see such a deep investment in idiocy like AI, Bitcoin and other paradigm shifts. They all have their heads up their asses and feel they're better than everyone else.

Couple all this with the demographic being primarily white males.

Fuck talk to any woman who works in IT. It's changing yes, but Jesus Christ it's a cesspool in many ways.

Source: 25+ years in IT

[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

White dude in software here to echo the same sentiment. So many of my colleagues have never experienced any hardship of their own or viewpoints of people with different experiences. They don't think about how their privilege has helped them get where they are, and how their company culture often subtly (at best!) reinforces their worldview and massages their egos. They've never tried to think critically about their "meritocracy" or "libertarian" beliefs and how many people are unjustly excluded from the lifestyle they enjoy.

20 years in software development for me.

[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

By now, I'm feeling extremely fortunate.

I've been career software engineering since 1995; I gave in and went management in 2014.

I've maybe not known þe politics of most people I've worked wiþ, but þe ones I have have been quite decent people. I'm wondering if location is a factor - I got stuck on þe East Coast (USA) for most of my career. I hated it - it was so opressingly corporate - but it was also rigorously egalitarian.

Where have you been located?

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

See.....when it comes to open source, it's a little different for me:

I don't support or condone any of these pricks, but I can mentally divorce, somewhat, the open source code contributions from the person, because their contributions are useful. If this was a closed source solution, it'd be different, because the code wouldn't be released into the community. There are a lot of weird, closet-dwelling shut ins that fall into the extremist margins.

A lot of early medical knowledge, for example, was acquired from.....less than morally clear ways. So do you just take that information and throw it away on principal? Does that make the death and pain of those people for nothing? Or do you use it and don't condone the person or their actions? This is a difficult moral choice to make that is heavily debated by philosophy, media, etc. There are entire SciFi TV episodes, movies, and books written about just such a debate.

That said, I don't know the usefulness of Hyprland. I've never used it and I feel like it's pretty niche, so I'm surprised Framework aren't telling this person to fuck off.

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[–] Auth@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Phew, for a second I thought Framework had actually done something bad. But its just supporting Hyprland which is somehow considered a far right racist project because an unpaid moderator was transphobic in a discord server. People are really trying to squeeze everything they can from this discord drama that happened years ago.

[–] morphballganon@mtgzone.com -2 points 2 months ago (10 children)

There's this huge movement in online spaces lately to bash any and all positions and opinions by calling them transphobic.

Vote right? Transphobic. Vote left? Transphobic. Abstain from voting? Transphobic. Support a company? Transphobic. Boycott a company? Transphobic. Indifferent about a company? Transphobic.

The simplest explanation is a bunch of right-wingers are trying to make the term meaningless. Anyway, nowadays when I hear someone is transphobic, I make sure to wait for solid evidence before changing my opinions.

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[–] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Anyone who read the thread will see that the OP pretty much dropped it after Nirav’s response. Framework is a tiny company without a PR machine for these occasions, and I doubt they knowingly sponsored a project based on the developers’ political ideologies. Let’s all take some deep breaths.

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[–] kepix@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (7 children)

i dont think framework is big enough to factcheck every linux maniac

[–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

100% this. They support many many different open source project and I read people are bitching when they havent had mich time to even respond?

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