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Frustrated Windows 10 users are jumping ship to macOS.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 87 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You mean having an AI watch everything you do isn’t a good selling point?

[–] hcf@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I don't think it's AI aversion. The problem is that Windows 11 guts the muscle memory that older consumers have built up from using prior generations of Microsoft Windows.

If a company is going to dick me over by suddenly changing/hiding/abstracting-away parts of their OS that I used to (an am used to) use on a daily basis, then I'd rather relearn a new OS from a company that doesn't have the track record of totally redoing their entire OS in the course of a single OS generation.

If I also have a little bit more disposable income and am anticipating a poor economic downturn, I'm going with the device that I can go to a physical brick-and-mortar place and have it serviced as opposed to the crap shoot that is any other Windows-licensed manufacturer's device.

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[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 58 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I mean MacOSX put AI in the OS, Siri, and all their apps as well so I can't really see how the change would be do to AI. Privacy maybe

[–] abfarid@startrek.website 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

On MacOS, at least for now, AI isn't prominent at all. I've been using an M4 Air for a month before I remembered that Apple Intelligence was a thing and had to google how to use it. So far it only seems to be partially available in 1st party Apple apps which I don't use anyway.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Mail, Messages, Notes, Phone, Photos, Reminders, Safari, Shortcuts are all being integrated. That's outside of the whole image creation, integration into smartlook (basically windows search), and whatever else I can't think of at the moment. The one good thing I've seen is that you can turn it off. But it does scan your text to provide synonyms, summaries, rewordings... And that's just what it shows when I click intro.

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[–] zewm@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Have you actually used Siri? It’s a fucking joke Apple has no idea how to do AI. I think they will be better off than on Windows.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 12 points 3 days ago

Siri is bad but at least it has natural language processing. I think it's so funny how CEOs have no idea how LLMs work.

Over a year ago Apple literally ran an ad showing off an "Apple Intelligence" feature that you could tell nobody at Apple ran by the actual engineers before deciding it was possible. It (of course) has still not been released.

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[–] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 4 points 3 days ago

It stays out of your way though. Windows wants it to be your entire pc interface so they can charge you monthly for it eventually

[–] casmael@mander.xyz 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Unfortunately the word ‘despite’ has been badly damaged as a result of the improper loads applied by this headline. It looks like it’ll be out of action for at least a couple months, maybe past the end of the season.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 57 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Those new Apple users are gonna be bummed when MacOS does the same thing in the very near future.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The immediate regret will be when they discover that Ctrl isn't where they expect it to be, followed by the discovery that it doesn't get used for copy and paste anyway.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The very first thing I did was swap around ctrl and cmd on my mechanical keyboard.

[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I found a setting to switch the key functions, but it still doesn't help with the other differences. I just have to learn to mentally change gears when using a Mac.

Moving the cursor by words, for example, is ctrl-cursor on PC, but option-cursor on Mac. So switching Ctrl/Fn doesn't help with that.

Not to mention tapping on the screen to select something does not go well on the Mac...

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Over a decade in and I haven’t internalized the text selection and cursor movement differences TBH. You can rebind the system key combos though if it really bothers you that much. I’m just not really using the keyboard as much anymore now that I use a trackpad for everything.

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[–] miguel@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

Karabiner FTW.

[–] lukaro@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

So far my only gripe with MacOS is my inability to remember how to copy paste.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

The command key is basically the control key in MacOS and most of your basic commands are the same.

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[–] tahoe@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Part of me wishes I was a Windows user because Microsoft gives so many good reasons to switch to Linux. But even though I don’t use any of Apple’s services, I’m just too well off on macOS, got no real reason to switch.

Not saying macOS will never suck, and it already does in some aspects, but its suck factor has been pretty stable for the last 15 years I’ve been using it.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s really sad that macOS is the only major operating system that functions on API calls for UI elements and system calls. Part of what makes windows awful is the terrible UI inconsistencies between apps. 3rd party app can’t hook into the system or each other easily because there are so few shared APIs. It’s crazy that macOS has the best utility apps all because of the shared API library and that the other operating systems don’t want to copy or unify with them.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

despite Microsoft's push for Copilot+ PCs

Not despite, because of.

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[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 30 points 3 days ago

Went to Linux on the old laptop. A smoothing transition as we were using Libreoffice for a few years before. For most people it is not the OS but the apps that stop you moving off Windows.

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Well, at this point more like out of the fire into the frying pan

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Apple's AI screwup may end up being the best move the company made since the switch to Apple silicon.

[–] tengkuizdihar@programming.dev 11 points 2 days ago

its like slipping on a banana to avoid a slash of a chainsaw

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[–] DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Windows home and pro editions are now just billboards. Like literal billboards. I don’t know how people put up with this much garbage in their system. Microsoft is actively working against their users. Whatever users say they don’t like, Microsoft triples down on it.

[–] hcf@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

They're not acting against their users, it's just that non-enterprise consumers are a complete afterthought. I.e. less of a "fuck you" to individual consumers and more of a "who the fuck do you think you are?".

Why market or design an OS for individual consumers when the majority of your revenue is going to come from volume licensing by manufacturers that are fulfilling bulk purchases from corporate America/higher-ed?

[–] BearGun@ttrpg.network 12 points 2 days ago

For anyone who has to/wants to stay on win 10 for whatever reason, here's a FOSS guide for enabling ESU updates, of course brought to you by a furry.

https://bsky.app/profile/socksthewolf.com/post/3m2depgbys22e

[–] Sunshine@piefed.social 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

!linux@programming.dev is right there!

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There are very few sellers that have pre-installed Linux laptops which is what majority of people buy. So Linux is automatically discarded as an option in all those sales.

[–] mintiefresh@piefed.ca 4 points 3 days ago

This is the way!

[–] Abrinoxus@lemmy.today 12 points 2 days ago
[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Privacy on Windows is EOL, so Windows is too.

If you really need x86 for games, there’s SteamOS.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

It was EOL long long ago

The difference was that the user experience was reasonable

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[–] BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I wish there was a Linux or BSD OEM that sells the same build quality/QA/QC as Apple.

[–] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I only know of https://system76.com/ but have no personal experience with them.

[–] miguel@fedia.io 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I do. They're garbage cleo laptops with a badge and no support. I had one, when it failed they refused to stand behind it at all.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 4 points 2 days ago

Apple PC

So many Apple users' eyes just twitched

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

You know its bad when long time office users start considering Libreoffice

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