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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 167 points 16 hours ago (21 children)

Have we ever lived in a more stallmanwasright.jpg time?

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 93 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Ah. Well. About software. Stallman was right about software

[–] manxu@piefed.social 42 points 16 hours ago

I never wanted him to be wrong more than right now. Except for tomorrow, it's probably going to bé worse, tomorrow

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[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 154 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

Technically illegal where I live.

In Brazil you can't sell a device with a given feature and then remove said feature in a software update. Even Apple, known for never allowing downgrades, was forced to downgrade and pay a fine to a customer after his iPad 3 updated to iOS 7 and lost an iOS 6 feature.

In other words... every single Android device sold until today in Brazil allows sideloading. Even if a single customer uses a sideloaded app, removing the ability to sideload freely would be illegal, and because the original feature didn't require a developer signature it can't be enforced now.

The issue is, as always, if this went to court somebody would have to manage to explain to a tech illiterate judge what a "developer signature" is, how this relates to "sideloading" and so on.

thank god for brazil

[–] Lojcs@piefed.social 28 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

.. Brazil is one of the first countries this'll go into effect and I also remember something about how that first batch of countries was chosen because their governmemts support this change.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 30 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

because their governmemts support this change.

I can see how Google's PR team might use this argument, but it's certainly illegal in Brazil so our government most definitely isn't supporting this decision. Also, it needs to be way more specific than "government" - who exactly is endorsing this? Procon? Anatel? Polícia Federal?

Either way, the actual reason for targeting Brazil as one of the first is because we do love our piracy, which naturally translates into sideloading being frequent.

[–] NinjaTurtle@feddit.online 18 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Best of luck to Brazil then. Hopefully you get them to change course.

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[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 10 hours ago

The problem might be that Google will argue this isn't a downgrade at all, but an upgrade (for "security" reasons). I don't want to be a pessimist, but the tech illiterate judges could eat that up.

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[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 102 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I am really glad to see these articles popping up now. Since the news broke a week back or so it was suspiciously quiet about this, despite lots of negative comments here.

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 97 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Isn't this illegal in Europe? Was that the whole point of forcing apple to allow alternative app stores?

[–] progandy@feddit.org 27 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Technically, third party app stores are allowed. Developers "only" register with google to receive a developer certificate. Isn't apple doing the same thing in response to the EU regulations and that has been allowed?

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 25 points 9 hours ago

Seems like a weasel around the requirement to get rid of the actual benefit of 3rd party stores.

[–] bigFab@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago

I can't believe how useless the EU regulations are.

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[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 78 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

There's never been a more urgent time to switch to Linux on pretty much every device.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 38 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

The mobile options for Linux are years out from being ready and the hardware vendors are locking them out as fast as possible.

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago

The stepping-stone would be de-googled Android like LineageOS or GrapheneOS. I think Linux is the end-game though.

[–] blueworld@piefed.world 74 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

For those in Europe, write your representatives.

Fro me f-droid's post: https://f-droid.org/2025/09/29/google-developer-registration-decree.html

What do we propose?

Regulatory and competition authorities should look carefully at Google’s proposed activities, and ensure that policies designed to improve security are not abused to consolidate monopoly control. We urge regulators to safeguard the ability of alternative app stores and open-source projects to operate freely, and to protect developers who cannot or will not comply with exclusionary registration schemes and demands for personal information.

If you are a developer or user who values digital freedom, you can help. Write to your Member of ParliamentCongressperson or other representative, sign petitions in defense of sideloading, and contact the European Commission’s Digital Markets Act (DMA) team to express why preserving open distribution matters. By making your voice heard, you help defend not only F-Droid, but the principle that software should remain a commons, accessible and free from unnecessary corporate gatekeeping.

https://f-droid.org/2025/09/04/twif.html [^antifeatures]: F-Droid Anti-Features overview: https://f-droid.org/docs/Anti-Features/ [^howmanyusers]: How many F-Droid users are there, exactly? We don’t know, because we don’t track users or have any registration. “No user accounts, by design”: https://f-droid.org/2022/02/28/no-user-accounts-by-design.html [^sideloading]: ‘“Sideload” is a weird euphemism that the mobile duopoly came up with; it means “installing software without our permission,” which we used to just call “installing software” (because you don’t need a manufacturer’s permission to install software on your computer).’ — Pluralistic: Darth Androidhttps://pluralistic.net/2025/09/01/fulu/ [^playprotect]: “Google Play Protect checks your apps and devices for harmful behavior”: https://support.google.com/googleplay/answer/2812853

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 67 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I will literally go without a smartphone if Google does this, this is insane I would have bought an iphone if I wanted a junk device I don't actually own.

[–] Jinni@sh.itjust.works 50 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

If this effects de-googled android, I will probably start investing in Linux phones.

I would rather have a limited phone than has full freedom than one that makes everyone go through Google.

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[–] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 36 points 11 hours ago (8 children)

The crazy part is this may make iOS the better alternative when considering the emergence of third-party app stores and Apple's loosening grip on their ecosystem.

LineageOS is still a good option too, for anyone who would prefer to keep the phone they have

[–] PinkiePieYay2707@pawb.social 14 points 10 hours ago

LineageOS is not really an alternative though, as it will still be hit by this. Please see the comment here: https://lemmy.world/post/36621884/19652276

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 63 points 4 hours ago (4 children)
[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 12 points 1 hour ago

~~Don't be evil~~

Be evil when it makes money.

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[–] damon@lemmy.world 53 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Hopefully they go to court to get an injunction. Hopefully, they also go to the powers that be in the EU, those same powers have been so focused on the Apple App Store they failed to take into account Google can do something like this with the Play Store. It would be a shame for the F-Droid project to end but it is completely avoidable.

[–] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 25 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

What we can do is complain. Loudly.

Degoogle where possible. Fuck these assholes.

And i guess prepare.

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To be fair, up until recently, there was no clear indication that Google would do this. Google made it so that installing non-play store apps was slightly more difficult, Apple made it pretty much impossible. So Apple was a pretty logical target at that point (and honestly, up until then, they had pretty much gotten a free ride - think of the default browser issue in Windows, no one every bothered with Apple).

[–] goatinspace@feddit.org 52 points 10 hours ago (4 children)
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[–] DarkSideOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 45 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Open source community keeps trusting Google and they keep using the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

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[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 34 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

"Year of the Linux Phone" has a nice ring to it.

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[–] leastaction@lemmy.ca 27 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

It seems to me that part of the problem is overreliance on phones as computing devices. A lot of things, like banking, are best done on an actual computer. We have become too dependent on phones.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Your phone has likely much better security for your banking apps than your computer, unless you run really niche setup like QubesOS.

[–] traceur402@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 hour ago

We as a society should be rethinking the term "security", if it's come to mean submitting to being jerked around however best suits some private company's interests instead of our own. If there's a central platform for its security benefit it should be democratically controlled instead of controlled by what are effectively feudal lords, or perhaps even an occupying force

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[–] klobuerschtler@lemmy.world 23 points 13 hours ago

EU be like: Really? Didn't you learn from Apple?

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 17 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

This is why I didn't bother switching to GOS, Lineage, Calyx etc despite being sick of Apple's anti-foss monopoly — marketed as Privacy™️ and Security™️ — for years.

The late stage capitalism of western oligarchies indicated that Google's rug pull of AOSP was an imminent inevitability. After already having to change my services and workflows multiple times over the last 2 decades — despite careful analysis and forethought — due to services ever changing value propositions, acquisitions, and all other forms of enshittification, I'm at the point where I won't bother wasting energy on 99% of digital products unless they're open source and I can run them indefinitely on my own Linux server.

The more dependent you grow on digital products, the more interdependent they become, and the more time and effort is required to replace or substitute them.

[–] Tetsuo@jlai.lu 24 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

This is why I didn't bother switching to GOS, Lineage, Calyx etc despite being sick of Apple's anti-foss monopoly — marketed as Privacy™️ and Security™️ — for years.

Bullshit. If you liked so much your freedom and privacy you would have many opportunities to use open source ROMs. You chose to stay on your iPhone because it was easy.

Also absolutely not believing you when you say that you anticipated the rug pull and chose to "not bother" for that reason. What a poor excuse for staying and supporting the closed ecosystem of Apple.

After already having to change my services and workflows multiple times over the last 2 decades

I can't believe someone who has been for years on an iPhone would pretend they are an ardent defender of freedom and open source.

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[–] EonNShadow@pawb.social 10 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

My job doesn't allow me to use a jailbroken/rooted device

So if/when this goes through I'll be switching to iOS.

Given the choice between two closed platforms, I'll pick the one that ostensibly says they're privacy focused instead of the one actively enshittifying their product.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 32 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I obviously don't know your situation, but using your own phone for work is a bit of a red flag. If you're required to use a phone for work, ideally the job should provide you one that meets their requirements.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, a mandatory work phone (where the employer can define requirements) should be purchased and funded by the employer.

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[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

You should just get a cheap phone to use for work. No reason to have their software on your own device. That will undoubtedly be used for creepy purposes.

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