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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sadly, when you hit people with evidence that what they were taught growing up is the actual revisionist history, they hit back with that unvincible, instoppable rebuttal of "Nuh uh."

[–] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your use of the un- and in- makes me want to rip my dick off

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your distress makes me feel undifferent.

[–] moriquende@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is making everyone incomfortable

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Unconceivable

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I don't know, the more I've read about him the more it's clear he was absolutely a terrible person.

The good thing with Christopher Columbus is that he was so objectively terrible, that there isn't really any conflicting information out there. Anything online about him either talks about him finding the americas or it talks about how terrible he was.

[–] Drewmeister@lemmy.world 50 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Even if you look at him in the best possible light, he's an absolute moron. A lucky one, but still. To the day he died, he still believed he'd reached east Asia. And it wasn't a case of not having the information to know better; he just couldn't fathom being wrong.

[–] shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Imagine being told you "discovered" (from an Afro-Eurasian perspective) a new continent and just telling everyone you meet "No is the East Indies". Really blurs the line between stubborn and genocidal maniac.

You know, given exactly what he saw during his four voyages, I can kinda see it.

From the deck of a galleon, would you be able to tell the Caribbean islands from the Philippines if you'd never seen either one before? Maybe you'd mistake the Yucatan for Indonesia, and sail up and down the Gulf of Mexico thinking you're in the Gulf of Thailand, except for some reason you just can't find the Singapore Straight.

It's the time he found the Orinoco river delta, correctly deduced that a river that big can't flow from an island, that it has to be from a huge landmass, but...what huge landmass? They didn't know Australia was there, and if they did, he had a quadrant, he knew he was in the Northern hemisphere. Even New Guinea is a stretch given their latitude.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

How very American of him

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

not only that, he was so wrong. people back then didn't just knew that the earth was round, they also knew the size, and knew no ship of the time could voyage westward to asia.

Colombus believed the earth was much smaller, and was told he was an idiot at the time.

he is likely one of the luckiest people alive, as he was going to die (they cross the point of no return, where they didn't have enough supplies to return). If it wasn't for a fucking giant ass continent in the way he would have died and be forgotten in history, except for the occasional short form video about dumbest people in history. or a Matt Parker video about his exact mathematical mistake he did titled (how a geometric mistake killed 89 sailors).

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I can just see Queen Isabella agreeing to fund the trip just to get rid of Columbus. "Let's just pay him to go out to sea and die, Ferdinand. He's so fucking annoying." Then he walks into court in 1494 with a tan, a cob of corn and a chili pepper talking about "Hey you got any more of them boats? We went to leave Japan and the Santa Maria wouldn't start, I think it needs a new alternator."

Isabella doesn't have room in her head for this much surprise, confusion and anger at the same time so she's trying to ask him how the fuck he isn't dead but she keeps phrasing it in ways that makes Columbus recount his adventure. Like the first thing out of her mouth is "Where did YOU come from?" And Columbus lists all the islands he visited. Then she says "how did you not starve?" And he talks about provisions running low and then the men eating rope and hunting the ship's rats before they made landfall. It doesn't help that Columbus is Italian (and a bit thick) so Isabella's astonished Spanish isn't fully landing. Ferdinand's over there, got his eyes squeezed shut chuckling into his fist because this is the funniest shit he's seen all month but Isabella must NEVER know this or there'll be no living with her.

Then they send him back out and he commits just...all the atrocities.

[–] moakley@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's worth pointing out that Columbus Day was a way to combat anti-Italian racism in America. They put an Italian at the center of the American Myth to convince people that Italians were as American as any other white person.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

any other white person

Bruh

That's literally what the people behind it intended.

literally the point.

they were rebranding Italians as white. they weren't white before. same thing with Irish, who weren't white, or Ashkenazi jews who also weren't white.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm Spanish and I remember how "clean" they made it look. In particular, I was curious about they saying the natives had "semi-slavery". Jokingly I asked of they were slaves but had weekends off, but the answer was "they were slaves, but had names".

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

history in schools always was just a bunch of propaganda of a given state

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

if an history class doesn't make you hate the past, it's propaganda

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago

you could say so, huh

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

for now, I'll be back in your moment of need to cheer you on and remind you to take your meds again.

take care, you're so full of love that even you're delusions are sacrificing themselves for your wellbeing.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

nooo, i brought you here, so you're practically my child

i don't wanna kill ma dude

come here, it's going to be okay, everyone has their rough times, it's not a reason to wanna die

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you aren't killing me, it's more like putting me to bed for the night, giving you some time to live your life.

I'll be back next time you forget.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 12 hours ago

f-fine... you win

rest well, i'll see you around~

[–] vateso5074@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except for the history taught in my school.

...Right?

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

uh huh, cuz our school is the only right one comrade lmao

it's really easy to tell if what you're reading is history or propaganda (or, in more mild terms, a biased view perspective projection). Scientific history doesn't operate in the "who's the wrong one?" realm of questions, purely studying the context, as the casuality chain of any historical event can be traced back up to the big bang if you ever so wanted to. Callng any side to be wrong is inherently political.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I be tired of naming my meat holes too...

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, but they let him keep doing what he was doing as long as he kept promising ROI. When the money and wealth never really materialized is when they decided not to let him slide in all the bullshit he was doing to the natives. And even then, they let him go at it again after they put him in the doghouse for a while.

So yeah, they had a little “wtf…chill, dude!” but it wasn’t enough for them to hit the brakes when he promised to bring in money.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like the theory that he was actually some other guy, Pedro Medruga, who was such a monster the Spanish crown had to fake his death.

I have not heard of this?

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago

and dude he was way seriously too much of a loser before the crimes against humanity to be dick rode this much.

don't let people tell to what history is immune to criticism. they don't give a fuck about accuracy, they just want to keep everyone smooth brained about our past and present.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey it's my favorite antifa

[–] vateso5074@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can't wait for Ghost of Yotei, Erika is the best.

same, best ad campaign

[–] ideonek@piefed.social 5 points 2 days ago

Erica is cool as fuck.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, the sea travel was rough and cruel. No wonder that people who survived such a long voyage, became just as vile.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had a bad month, I guess I'm now a psychopath.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

not quite, but it's hard to say that by constantly experiencing nothing but sufferring you'd grow into a kind and empathetic, let alone pleasant person to be around

71 days as the captain of an expedition, likely best fed and treated person of the whole crew.

If you think that justifies what he did, I hope you never board a cruise ship.

[–] Maroon@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So surviving the ocean entitles you to genocide. What are you trying to say here?

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago

I don't know who'd admire a person like Columbus, but considering the crual fate he survived, no wonder he was as wretched as he was is all i'm saying. I wouldn't be justifying any of his actions. If he enjoyed it, then let the hell actually exist to burn this bastard for eternity, but if he didn't, penitentiary afterlife existence is not necessary, as the life itself was a penalty enough in his case.

the world is a cruel place, let's enjoy our luxury of being able to be nice and good, and let's share it with others.