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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

It also "muddies the waters" on long-standing assumptions that early humans dispersed from Africa, said Michael Petraglia, director of Griffith University's Australian Research Centre for Human Evolution, who was not involved in the study.

"There's a big change potentially happening here, where east Asia is now playing a very key role in hominin evolution," he told the Agence France-Presse.

Yeah, I've always thought it was like how we thought there were "cavemen" when caves were just a great place to preserve archeological evidence.

Humans have been thru a lot of ice ages, and Africa is like the place to ride out an ice age. Especially the recent ones where the Sarrah was a rainforest.

It's incredibly possible that hominids evolved somewhere else, and just died out everywhere except Africa. And even more likely that if it happened once, it happened multiple times.

Doesn't change anything, all modern humans almost definitely came from Africa, it's just that we don't know for sure where we came from first. It's just kind of a chicken/egg thing anyways.

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm not an expert by any means, but I read the study linked, and this sounds like such a massive stretch. They have one data sample which they blended with a previous data sample, added in a huge amount of assumptions, then drew a conclusion they were looking for.

[–] Insekticus@aussie.zone 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Also, from a scientific point of view, Chinese research has a strong history of just making shit up. They're one of the biggest polluters in journal articles with irreproducible research, illogical conclusions, and major conflicts of interest.

When their autocratic government has its hands in everything, you can't trust anything.

Edit: just a little source before anyone asks https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2891906/

[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're putting a lot more politely than I really was thinking lol

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Well, since you're source isn't from the Chinese government, it will be taken by some as western propaganda

This is exactly my immediate reaction. Whenever they find something amazing in China I just assume they're making shit up again.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's kind of how it works with these things. There's not many samples to work with. One of the big reasons there's been so much revision and change over the past few decades is more samples have been found or existing ones have been re-examined using new techniques. Those earlier ideas were frequently based off just a few bone fragments and a whole lot of extrapolation.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

It was shocking to learn how few fossils and fragments we have, hominid and otherwise.

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

If the first person to write this headline had patented it back in the day, they'd be richer than 10 Jeff Bezoses by now.