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[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 165 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Fascism is back like in the late 1920s, we all know what happened right after.

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 109 points 4 days ago (11 children)

NGL, I dont know what happens after this time. It seems like the entire west is turning to fascism so I'm not really sure who'd fight it

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 86 points 4 days ago (3 children)

What gets me is that it's all a response to the generally centre right governments focusing on business for the last 45 years. Government has forgotten about the individual in the west. And the people have had enough.

Why then, do they turn further right? This should be bonanza time for the left.

  1. Far right parties are happy to tell lies to get into power, so the people hear what they want to hear.
  2. 100 years is too long for living memory to survive.
[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The answer is the conservative propaganda machine, and the USA is a prime example.

Everything that made America "great" post WW2 were "socialist" driven labour, regulatory movements that decreased wealth inequality, improved economic mobility and housing security, increased quality of life and education, held corporate criminals accountable, etc, etc.

Wealthy sociopaths took that personally, and have spent the last 55 years destroying all of them; mainly through their ownership of media and dissemination of propaganda/disinformation, destruction of education. They chose fascism over improving the species and civilisation. They are our great filter, if we let them succeed.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They're creating a system in which millions have to die for them to win and dozens have to die for us to win. I know which odds I'm taking in that bet.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Yeah, but thanks to their control of the media, they've also created a system where millions will leap to defend them while demonizing anyone who criticizes them. When things get truly dire, they'll just point at some random demographic and say "it's their fault!" and their followers will eat it up.

I'd love for them to face consequences for their actions, but going by history they'll keep getting away with things until an ally backstabs them for power or the regime has eaten itself and fully fallen.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 53 points 4 days ago (17 children)

I'm not sure anyone really fought it last time. The wars didn't start until Germany started invading other nations which is what started the shooting.

The US didn't even enter the war until it was bombed.

"We fought fascism" is a bit of retroactive justification IMHO. We didn't, we were just defending ourselves from fascists who attacked first.

If Hitler stayed in Germany... Who knows?

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, history doesn't provide much help in this regard because fascism was stopped by the Axis losing a war. That's not happening this time.

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[–] IncogCyberspaceUser@lemmy.world 86 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 30 points 4 days ago

Don’t say that too loud, they might find a reason to send you off to something like alligator alcatraz once they’re in power.

Apparently, those people mysteriously disappeared.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't let them get to you. Its like 1000 people doing this. We can change it still.

[–] dontpanic@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wish I believed you. I try to keep my defeatism to myself but the overwhelming majority of people around me IRL are going around like nothing is happening, ignoring current events in the name of self care. Must be fucking nice.

[–] Lawelen@fedia.io 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, I feel you. I'm ruzzian, and I'm mostly sit in my parents' home, cause all around me are dumb as fuck

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 80 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

You can see what's happening in the USA, Germany. That's really what you want for yourself? Again?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago

Yes. Unfortunately people are that dumb.

[–] Senseless@feddit.org 22 points 4 days ago

I have no part in this. Neither do my peers. Lies, deception, easy answers to complex questions and a lack in education are doing this.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

Pretty much all the adults from WWII are dead. Notice we're doing the same stupid shit? Gilded Age wealth gap, tariffs, fascism, heading for a depression, etc.?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 13 points 4 days ago (7 children)

It's the scars of reunification. The east has a lot of people left behind.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Yes, it should have been done much better

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[–] RedPandaRaider@feddit.org 9 points 4 days ago

Sorry can't. Police and courts will stop anyone from taking out nazis themselves.

[–] atk007@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Well one of the downside of learning German after living blissfully ignorant for over a decade here is that I can now understand Germans talking around me, and holy fuck have I been exposed to such rampant racism. Kinda explains both the Nazi past, and the current popularity of AfD, and upcoming future Holocaust 2.0.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago

To be honest the far right is up in a lot of places.

This is a result of the ever growing divide between the rich and the poor, the cost of living crisis, the AI future where a lot of young individuals are struggling finding jobs, the unaffordability of living spaces, etc.

Look what is happening in the US, that's what's scarier, where the right-wing is thriving and they are turning into an autocratic state, with suppression of civil liberties, abuse of power, etc. And they are desperately trying to export this ideology across the Atlantic. They don't want a strong EU, that can threaten their hegemony and they consider the EU as a threat, long gone are the days of friendship and partnership.

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[–] RandomlyGeneratedName@lemmy.world 47 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The billionaire backed right wing takeover playbook is international - not just the US. Billionaires are a plague on democracies everywhere.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't understand why the billionaires think they are somehow off limits or immune to social chaos. They will always be surrounded by the working class, since someone needs to cook their food, wash their clothes, and raise their kids.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (14 children)

UK, France, and now Germany. The far-right really is winning everywhere huh... What can we do? Is there still hope?

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, we take it to the source: Russian propaganda should be completely cut off from the rest of the internet.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The source of fascism is Europe itself, not Russia. We literally invented fascism, first in Italy, then Germany and finally allowed it to live unbothered in Spain.

Russian media was censored already what, two years ago? And the far right keeps exploding in popularity. Europe can't keep blaming the Russians for every bad thing happening in the continent, we have a responsibility in fighting fascism and waving hands saying it's somebody else's fault isn't going to solve it.

Racism, misogyny, islamophobia and the total loss of faith in the current system are the main reasons for far-right vote. Europe has been in an economic crisis since 2008, and electing socdems or christiandemocrats has led to the exact same policy everywhere for the past 17 years: austerity, austerity, and more austerity. Kid Starver in England, supposed labour party, enacts policy as far-right as the far-right government in Finland, both countries driving hundreds of thousands of people into poverty and austerity.

What we need to fight fascism in Europe is what worked last time: less hand-waving, and more worker organizing. Whether you like or dislike the anarchists from the CNT in Spain, or the communists from the CPSU in the east, they were the only ones who meaningfully fought, and in the latter case ultimately defeated fascism. Organize, unionize, join local worker struggles, push for international worker solidarity with Palestine.

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[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

idk, honestly. usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there's a global empathy shortage.. too much hate and too little love.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there's a global empathy shortage.. too much hate and too little love.

It's the understandable pent up anger because of failed promises by ruling elites, hiding behind fake smiles and platitudes, who are supposed to be representative of the people. The older I get, the less the Star Wars Prequel becomes meesa Jar Jar-y. Lucas touched on toxic masculinity and the lack of positive male role models, and I think he saw something in history that none of us have twenty years ago, on how toxic masculinity influences real politics. It's obvious now how fascism has connection to toxic masculinity, but I think only few saw it at the time.

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[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 32 points 4 days ago
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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The strategy laid out in Foundations of Geopolitics in 1997 is being implemented

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How!? Where are these numbers coming from? In Germany of all places!?

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Hmm, the guy who manipulated his stock price to make himself the richest man in the world and fixed the election for Trump also supported AfD. Surely it's a coincidence

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[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Do you have a country for me to fuck off to in a few years.

Any stable democracies?

[–] Presently42@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (5 children)
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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 16 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Is there any context to add which makes it less appalling than it seems?

[–] remon@ani.social 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

There isn't a federal election until 2029, so these polls really don't matter.

[–] chosensilence@pawb.social 15 points 4 days ago (9 children)

that is not true. it is a snapshot of current voter mentality. if this doesn't turn around it's only going to grow and get worse. that's what this is useful for.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The German government has to get going to finally show some tangible results. The last government, at least at the end, did basically nothing, the current one is not fulfilling its promises, either, and people are left standing, seeing that money is spent everywhere but for the peoples needs.

The chancellor is 100% in the pockets of the rich, so properly taxing the top 5% to get the money to fix things is completely out of question. But that is a problem other governments seem to have, too. As if fairly taxing the rich was against some physical law of the universe. Or if taxing capital income as high as income from work would open the gates of hell.

[–] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Correction for you: the last government was heavily criticized by the media about the most absurd things nonstop for years.

The media could have used all this energy to write against the afd and we would have a different result now. Apparently it was more important to shit on a left wing liberal government than to save democracy.

Our worst chancellor since 1945 used the program of the afd as his own to keep them small. This never works. This always legitimizes right wing populist parties and does not weaken them.

The current government may not even last 4 years and then its pro Putin fascists in power.

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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

It is a f*cking disgrace for the US and even more for Europe electing fascists.

Electing opinions over facts. But as an european I'm not surprised, sadly.

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