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[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 69 points 1 month ago (3 children)

/64

That's not an address, that's a whole fucking subnet consisting of 2^64 different addresses. ☝️🤓

[–] LaggyKar@programming.dev 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is a single address with an associated subnet mask, indicating what subnet the address is in.

The subnet would be 3fff:a1:1ab:bc67::/64, for the top one.

[–] MathematicalMagpie@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 month ago

I'll see you in court.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe but I always have to enter /24 after setting a VM's manual IP for it to be valid

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago

That would depend on the network environment. If your VM is on a /28 subnet and you set /24 it won't be valid

[–] kungen@feddit.nu 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does IPv6 scare you so much that you start craving the monstrosity known as NAT44?

[–] slate@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Idk man, NAT makes a lot of sense once you get used to it. And it's pretty cozy with its firewall features. And somewhat human readable ipv4 addresses are nice.

[–] Dumhuvud@programming.dev 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ISPs putting you behind NAT is not cozy.

They charge extra for a feature called "static IP". But the IP address not being static is not the issue, for me at least. You could host stuff with a dynamic IP back in 2000s/2010s. But no, now you get to share the same IPv4 address with a bunch of other households, unless you pay extra.

[–] slate@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ha, yeah that sucks and I'd absolutely hate it if I were behind a CGNAT. But I believe most ISPs don't do that. None of mine ever have. Just like how most ISPs provide you with an ipv6 address range, but not all. Fact is that crappy ISPs can screw up your network no matter what ip spec you're using.

And I've never heard of a business network being behind an ISP controlled CGNAT. A NAT you control can be nice.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You don’t need a NAT with IPv6, that’s what link-local addressing is for

[–] xep@discuss.online 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Unless your ISP won't support DHCPv6-PD until you pay them extra... want to guess how I know this?

[–] Scoopta@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago

NAT provides no firewall features and we can have a discussion about how wrong that statement is

[–] Laser@feddit.org 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Idk man, NAT makes a lot of sense once you get used to it.

That's a lie, NAT is bullshit, sometimes necessary, but it will never "make sense".

[–] slate@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I like that none of my local devices are externally addressable unless an outgoing connection has been established. You can (and should) achieve the same thing with ipv6, but then it's essentially just maintaining a NAT table without the translation piece. I think that makes sense in both protocols.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

exactly, I also like this peace of mind for my home network and see no benefit in using ipv6 there. Similarly for any VPC I deploy to an IaaS.

[–] unquietwiki@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

I'm actually trying a hybrid approach with some VPCs: use firewalled IPv6 ports for remote management, direct to the VMs; while siphoning off the IPv4 traffic to a basic Linux host with Netfilter rules acting as a NAT router. I keep the benefits of using IPv6, without eating up a bunch of external IPv4 addresses, that I would also have to account for on filtering.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago

I like that none of my local devices are externally addressable unless an outgoing connection has been established.

This can also be achieved using (other) firewall rules.

but then it's essentially just maintaining a NAT table without the translation piece.

So... a firewall?

NAT isn't a security feature and shouldn't be relied on for managing access to hosts.

It also breaks the assumption of IP that connections between hosts are end-to-end, which requires sophisticated solutions so that everything works (more or less).

I too employ NAT to make services accessible over IPv4. But only because it doesn't work otherwise. Not because it "makes sense". I don't use it at all for IPv6.

[–] ikoz@programming.dev 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

There was a cool project that converted hexadecimal numbers (or IPs) to pronouceable words. I think it was also more dense, and of course faster to say / easier to remember.

[–] axus@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 7 points 1 month ago

Perhaps organised into some sort of domains for clarity?

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's cool, but I'm sure it broke the relationship between ip addresses. Like it would be hard to tell if 1 IP was 1 higher or lower than another/ in the same /28 subnet, etc

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

maybe they could be sorted alphabetically to give you an idea, but yeah, it'd be harder to know for sure without a mixed format like

worda:wordb::f1

[–] relativestranger@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

there's no place like Nyamyochu Sha

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

Yes, who do you think deployed it.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

1-888-STOP-HEX

Are we hiring a white hat hacker or a white hat witch?

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 14 points 1 month ago

The future is now, old man

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ipv6 is strictly superior and i will die on this hill

[–] Ladislawgrowlo@lemy.lol 2 points 1 month ago

We need to ban ipv4, ipv6 networks only

[–] aliser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't get how regular network works, ipv6 is like 10 times more confusing with all its prefixes and subnets

[–] purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

I mean they dropped the parts of ip4 that are not used. They only multiplied the number of bits by 4, otherwise it's the exact same ideas. The confusing part might be that a device gets multiple addresses off the bat. Using decimal for 128 bits would have made the address even worse.

[–] Ladislawgrowlo@lemy.lol 2 points 1 month ago
  • 3fff:a1:1ab:bc67::63c6:4fa4:40a:9aab/64
  • 2001:db8:a1ab:34ac:67ab:4af3:49a:5bb3/64
  • 3fff:d7a:cafe:77:9952:dc4d:da41:e1d7/64

I was bored. And need to train ipv6 typing skills.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Ain't nobody never asked for any of this, but it invaded my home computer too!!! IPv6 rapist immigrants are taking over this country.