Well, fuck.
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Thanks to conservative parties (CDU/CSU) taking up their topics instead of stomping on them.
This will not be fun
Yes, but we must not forget that foreign influence by autocratic states also plays a decisive role.
Even TikTok is run by the US. It's already deception that Russia is controlling the election. They try to, but only to the point that the US needs for everybody to be worried.
Liberal parties too.
Please guys, just vote progressives in and tax the rich. The AFD, like the CDU, will only make this country worse for everyone but the rich.
Immigrants aren't the ones buying your houses, failing to give you raises, and putting Germany in debt. It's the rich.
But the rich use immigrants to increase demand for housing and to increase competition for jobs.
They have also used their media to make the AfD known. Bad news are good news. They want the fight between the extreme right and everybody else so that progressive parties don't tax them out of power.
People need control of the media first. Otherwise elections come out as the rich want. Every day there are crimes and crimes committed by foreigners. Depending on how much they are reported, people will vote AfD and CxU.
Meanwhile, it's still a good idea to not vote for AfD.
Immigrants are not the reason housing prices are going up, nor that your wages are staying the same or going down, that's just not what's happening. The population of germany has been largely stagnant for decades. There is only an additional 14 million people in Germany today than there was in 1955! Only 4 million more compared to 2010! A 5% increase in the total population over 15 years is not the reason housing is up nearly 50% in the last 10 years.
Immigrants are not any part of the problem, they are the only reason Germany as a country is able to continue functioning because without immigrants coming in Germany would be closing businesses down left and right. No, the reason wages are stagnant and housing is up is ENTIRELY because the current system rewards the rich when they buy more housing at costs normal people couldn't compete it. The current system rewards the rich for squeezing their bottom line and ensuring the worker s don't see their share of the profits.
You're right the media is the battle we need to be fighting, but I want to make very clear that the CDU and AFD are not winning or gaining ground because they're right. They're successful because they sound like they're right because human nature is to fear the other group of people. They have no good ideas, they have no solutions, and we know this because they won't admit the real problem. We just watched Merz give money to military contractors, using debt he won't raise taxes on the rich to pay for, and wants to slash the societal benefits normal Germans rely on every year. They will shout immigrants, while stealing money from the pockets of real Germans, their neighbors, and their kids - all so they don't have to tax the rich and powerful because it keeps them in positions of power.
Immigrants could even be the reason to bring housing prices down if enough construction workers come and would be able to build houses. The permits are not there, for political reasons, which could be that the tension is wanted.
With a falling population, politicians would have to tear down housing to prevent rents from falling due to oversupply, which they hardly could. Then the rich couldn't increase rent, even if they paid outrageous prices for houses, because something cheap would be available.
Likewise, the closing businesses would fight for workers and rise wages to the limits of profitability.
From a workers perspective, immigrants take away that negotiation power. They are the voters, and they don't benefit from immigrants being good for the German economy.
The betrayal of the CxU is known. They have created the situation. That's why the AfD is gaining influence. What people ignore is that they are neoliberal and established by the establishnent.
It's also neoliberal if immigrants are sold to Germans as a necessary solution for their aging economy. That reduces both Germans and Immigrants to cogs in the machine.
I believe that migration would be a nonissue if we didn't have an underlying class war.
That’s why the AfD is gaining influence
I'm pretty sure it's just bigotry. Anecdotally, I've never talked to a conservative who supports the likes of AfD for "economical reasons" who also over the course of conversation didn't start casually saying the most racist shit imaginable. And given that bigotry is the only one issue that AfD is actually honest about, I don't really believe their economic concerns, even as misguided as they are.
Nobody is using us for anything, we are people who want to live better lives (or, in a lot of cases, to just live). We're not tools of burguasee to destroy the community, we're not tools of international jew to steal all your precious god given housing, we're not vermins used by illuminaty to eat your babies and steal your women.
You are also used to vote for parties and to create business for brands. Individuals are free but groups are managed.
Look at how Ukraine refugees are treated compared to other refugees. Not everybody is equal, there are agendas.
Hostilities or even lack of respect or decency towards individuals is not acceptable. But it's important to discuss what is happening to improve the situation for everybody. E.g. it would be nice if we could stop the discrimination between humans that pushes some on dangerous journeys while they could simply take a plane. For that to work, the causes have to be mentioned, which for the most part of it is that people are used.
In 10 or 15 years Germans will be crying "never again" again... Just crocodile tears, but on the bright side, at least they will pay reparations to some countries, peoples and families.
Björn Höcke ist Landolf Ladig,
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke
Björn is a neo-Nazi and even by German law people can call him that without being considered defamation because it's the truth according to the court,
AfD gets money from Russia and China,
https://amp.dw.com/en/report-afd-members-flight-sponsored-with-russian-money/a-43872774
Their secret "plan" seems like the old Madagascar plan,
https://correctiv.org/en/top-stories/2024/01/15/secret-plan-against-germany/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
Their ideas about Poland,
https://www.dw.com/en/hitler-forced-to-invade-poland-afd-youth-leader-claims/a-45774237
"Or gas them",
AfD has ties to Blood and Honour,
https://m.jpost.com/international/article-835554
Considering how popular AfD currently is, it seems likely that Germans are fated to repeat their darkest history, unfortunately.
Germany is a already a nazi state. The elections are just lagging. If the majority were really against Nazis, these fucks wouldn't even be in parliament, but the majority is just silently OK with it because they either don't vote or vote for AfD-lite.
Not only the average voter is OK with the narrative, the editor of newpapers like DW are too:
After the AfD, which is classified as partly right-wing extremist, became the strongest force in the city of 265,000 inhabitants with 24.7% of votes in the federal elections in February, it is now hoping for more success deep in western Germany.
They have been classified right-wing, not "partly".
Partly right-wing extremist refers to the constitutional protection office's assessment.
The AfD is classfied as a suspected case of far right extremism. This is the 2nd of three classifications, the last one is "confirmed right-wing extremist". To be classified as a suspected case, there must be indications of right-wing extremism.
Therefore, the assessment "partially right-wing extremism" is factually correct. The AfD is not yet classified fully (or confirmed) right-wing extremist. That assessment must first be reviewed and confirmed by a judge since the AfD is currently suing against it.
I read that more like partly qualifies the extremist, they are fully right wing. What exactly is an extremist partly-right, or partly-left for that matter?
The "partly" refers to the AfD, not their ideology. Parts of the AfD are "only" far-right, parts are neonazi. The whole party is thus partly extremist right.
I think by partly right wing they meant the CDU, which adopted some stances of the AFD while still trying to appeal to the center. And they are for some reason the biggest party where the AFD isn’t.
VOX has done pretty much nothing after winning a good amount of local elections. AfD will be the same
It is the trend among far right parties across Europe. They are all complain but once actually in government, they are useless. Hopefully it stays that way and none of them become as efficient as the fascists of the past.
Triggering infighting in the parties would be a good way to waste their time
For all the europeans cheering on the downfall of the US: If the United States truly fails, the EU will have 20-30 years, tops.
At this point, the best-case scenario for Europe is to end up like Japan, with an overaged population, a systemic disdain for immigrants and overall total stagnation. But it could swing the US way, too. As of now, it seems to be getting the worst of both worlds.
It will fall with us if you hand the keys to the Nazis
Fuck Nazis
Local elections are different, because many actually know the candidates personally, lower voter turn up, the groups run on local issues and difference to the party on a federal level grow the smaller you go. For example there was a lot of media attention on Meißen in the state of Saxony getting an AfD mayor. The federal results would have made that fairly obvious, but in the end the AfD candidate lost with an 18% margin.
This is also true the other way around. Local results do not translate into state or federal results.