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Once you realise that they all think we have less than 10 years to the total collapse of civilisation, everything they do makes sense.
How does it make any sense whatsoever? Musk, Bezos, Zuck, etc already have more money than they can spend even if they were all to live a full life. Helping bring on the collapse of civilization would just reduce their power and control over us.
If you're saying that they believe it will collapse regardless of what they do, then they'd probably behave more like Gabe Newell and live their life by hopping from one yacht to another somewhere out in the ocean.
This. Hording wealth that loses its value in 10 years makes no sense.
I think it’s one of those things that when you see it you can’t unsee it.
It’s heavily tied to whether you are looking at actual climate and resource data or just following the day to day shenanigans.
I’ve tried to offer a bit more context in a different response a bit lower, but I’d say the best thing to do is go get engaged in conversation with people who are seeing it.
As far as I can tell there is a part of the population that simply doesn’t want to see this either. On Lemmy it seems to be around 20% but I think the overall population is probably closer if not over 60%. It’s a really full on realisation and reality shifting experience for people who have done everything by the book, went to university, bought the house, did the making kids thing, paying mortgages, watch the tv shows and talk about the tv shows to people at “parties”.
It’s hard to have that whole American Dream paradigm fall apart.
ETA: to illustrate this point, there are people going to downvote this comment, and a bunch of my previous ones, just because they don’t want others to also experience reading this. Fck man, I was hoping this wouldn’t become reddit so fast.
They want control over everything to the very end. If these people were going to be satisfied with fucking off and enjoying their wealth, we wouldn't even know their names.
collapse of civilization would just reduce their power and control over us.
not if they hoard the resources that money represents
To a degree, but they need a heavy industrial base to operate from and continue to produce resources. They dont have that.
Most of their resources come from contracts and conventions. When those shatter, they dont have any wealth past what they tangibly have in goods. Since opulent wealth like yaughts and fine wine require civilization to exist, they are unlikely to maintain that position in the collapse of society. Best case for them is a well stocked bunker and a wealthy, isolated life. They all have that, but only that.
The OPs statement isn't likely. What's more likely is that realize this is a change to enact a second gilded age, a full oligarchy where the rich rule explicitly. They are striking now that the groundwork has been laid and an weak president is in office that will welcome it.
What's more likely is that realize this is a change to enact a second gilded age, a full oligarchy where the rich rule explicity.
isnt that precisely the point op is making?
i doubt societal collapse will put everyone on equal footing to grab at power, the billionaires still control our food production and all the basics we need for survival.
they may lose their yatches, but i doubt they arent planning on a different form of control.
why else would they grab and jerk the wheel of power so vigorously like this? i think they expect capitalism to collapse due to climate change or similar and are pivoting to something else...
The gilded age is about absolute control of the current society, not a post apocalypse hellscape. It is about establishing a US kleptocracy ala Russia. Its about reaping all the current richness of American resources into their pockets directly, about replacing people with whatever robot is possible until you have literal wage slaves.
It will cause a reckoning, but they think they can control some semblance of the current nation, not the aftermath of a destroyed "total collapse" American that OP is talking about.
i think we will sadly see absolute control before the "apocalypse". this is what they seem to be jumping the gun on.
i say this because fascism is used by capitalists to assert control, but there wasnt strong pushback to justify it. they are smarter than they make it look like and seem to be planning ahead.
Its about reaping all the current richness of American resources into their pockets directly
they already do this, not just in the US... thats why everyone else is struggling, its not like our work is valueless, its that value is being siphoned to oligarchs pockets.
It’s been proven over and over again that if you give people at the bottom more money, they buy more things, which makes the economy stronger, which increases industry, which makes more money for the top 1%.
Yet, instead of upping pay for their workers, billionaires fight as hard as possible to do the opposite.
Freefall put it quite succinctly. It’s not about how much they have, it’s about how much other people don’t have. If they had a choice between having a giant pile of gold but everyone else has smaller piles, or having a giant pile of shit and everyone else having nothing, they would choose the pile of shit.
These people have been dreaming for years of a ‘new world order’, with them, the glorious techbros, leading their own kingdoms free of all that pesky ‘government influence’. Their plan is to wreck the world and build their little bunkers, and then all of us plebeians will be begging at their door to be let in, because the world outside will be unlivable.
They write manifestos about all this. It’s their wet dream.
Once upon a time there was global trade in whale oil. It was used for lighting, cooking, heating and people were so sure it would never run out because the ocean was so big. Then several species were hunted to extinction and many other species became endangered and trade in whale oil had to stop. Petroleum is a finite resource. Corporate controlled governments are fighting wars over oil right now because it's almost gone. Between 5 and 8 years of oil left. America has spent a century destroying public transportation and enslaving the population to the automotive and fossil fuel industries. They can't switch to renewable energy fast enough. Without fossil fuel for their cars Americans will be finished.
”An economy based on endless growth is” All I could hear was that Muse song when I read this.
Collapse of civilization would render their wealth meaningless unless they've stockpiled megatons of supplies.
I dunno about the others but I heard Zuck was building some kind of Bond-villainesque volcano super-base. Presumably he’s going to put a lot of his stockpiles there.
Yes, but up and till that point, they would want to make sure we point guns at each other instead of rolling out the guillotines for them.
explain how it makes sense for even one of them?
Are you actually asking or being rhetorical?
Well it was kind of a rhetorical question, but if you want to answer it anyway I would appreciate it :D
I just don't see why people who derive all their power from the civil order would expect its collapse, nor why that would explain their actions, but maybe I'm missing something
tldr; as captains of the Titanic they have known we hit an iceberg and we are going to sink. Their delusion is not that we wont sink, but that we can get off this planet fast enough with rockets and colonise Mars in time. So their actions are both playing the “everything is still possible” narrative in Hollywood and media outlets they own, while also amping up war rhetoric to distract us from the famines that are about to start in the next 5 years.
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Ok, I’ll try. I overestimated that this would be clear to most on Lemmy, but happy to share my thoughts behind creating this meme.
First off, it is happening. The first domino’s are falling, and there is nothing we can do to avert the death of billions in the next 2-3 decades. If you find that shocking, remember that if you’re halfway your life expectancy right now, you nearly witnessed the world population double in that half life time.
When I say the next line, don’t see at as a synonym to advocate for war. The only thing we can ‘do’ is start wars, and win them. Putin is already there, Netanyahu followed soon there after. Not to mention Sudan and Congo, though we prefer our wars to be about white people to keep the media clicks up.
The rich and powerful have studied French revolutionary history and are very aware that these times are testing times for them too. They have a number of attack vectors to keep us in check. Their core mantra is essentially being the captain on the Titanic telling everyone they will be fine. They got the media bought up literally, so they can easily make us hate Russians or Trump or the Non-White-Skin-Colour-Of-They-Are-Eating-The-Cats™.
DJT was mostly installed because he just follows orders and didn’t want to go to jail, so he’s easily compromised, but they wanted him because he can provide smoke and mirrors the abolishment of the US constitution the easiest and fastest without too much questioning because of his cult of personality. Also he’s delightfully divisive. Then they will create more wars. Wars unite the peasants and wars help reduce population sizes. But most importantly wars distract. From what?
Well, from their wealth inequality for one, but the Climate Armageddon that is about to hit us. This will happen a lot faster than predicted and a lot more severe too. Remember they control the media. They know how bad it will get and they have diluted climate change studies for decades. All the projections have been soft from day one. Even now, you can’t watch a mainstream climate change piece without it always ending with this tacky music and hopium voiceover in the end “the future is uncertain, but if we keep at it we might just have a brighter future for our children” (mentioning the children really works)
That’s why they were building bunkers in the late 90s and are all building penis rockets and thinking even dead cold Mars is a better option. This is not about becoming a multi planetary civilisation, this is about there are not enough lifeboats for all of us.
The climate feedback loops have only been triggered in the last three years. They were almost completely omitted in the initial official climate reports for decades but I’m sure there was a higher priced climate report that did include what the effects of the climate feedback loops would be.
They also understand, as some commenters pointed out, that their lifestyle can only continue as long as we believe there’s a future and hope to one day achieve the same life standards as our parents.
There are other important factors that make them believe this is the final run such as the dwindling global oil reserves, the impact the climate apocalypse will have on the global food security etc
I’m not sure if that answers your why they would expect its collapse.
If it doesn’t, then it also won’t really explain their actions.
So, they expect collapse because they have had much more precise climate and civilisation collapse models privately funded for the better part of this century, the first ones were still public and publicly funded from the 80’s, nearly all of them were pointing to 2030 to 2040 as a critical point of inflection. I.e. they have known for at least 2 decades with a fairly high degree of certainty we have hit an iceberg. They also know there are not enough life rafts. And they know that if the current race wars are replaced by class wars, they are really not going to enjoy the rest of their lives.
It explains why they gave the POTUS king power last year, how they rigged it so their puppet would win, and how they are preparing everything for the establishment of the 4th Reich. War will distract us, war will cull our numbers and war will stimulate the endless growth economy, which will keep shrinking alarmingly once the famines start, because — unsurprisingly — endless economic growth never had much to do with innovation, intelligence, efficiency or clever marketing, but just a reflection on the batshit crazy population growth we’ve had since the end of WWII.
Famine is the biggest enemy of economic growth, war is its biggest accelerator.
Hope this explains it a bit better.
wow now this is what I call a god damn answer. thank you
They don't 'think'... They are causing it. This is purposefully done. They want to bring about a collapse.. they want to buy everything for scrap and make themselves untouchable after the carnage is done
Only because they think they're special enough to make it out unscathed. Just a matter of time, and nature excels in using time to her benefit.
Even the rich are vulnerable in world wars.
It's easy to be right when you're have the power, will and utter lack of morals to do anything to ensure reality conforms to your predictions.
Pity they didn't "predict" a post-scarcity society freed from unnecessary suffering. Imagine what those assholes might have achieved then.
Pretty sure we do have less than 10 years to the total collapse of "civilization".
I dunno if these rich bros care though. They're getting paid regardless.
Proof of this total collapse? Or is it just a conspiracy?
I think a majority of people would describe it as a conspiracy due to the MSM and BSM propaganda and algorithmic manipulation, but the data is out there. As some here have said, it is less than 10 years, but I rounded it up for comfort (:
Every one of these dirt bags thinks they are going to ‘ride it out’ in their luxury, underground bunkers.
As they die their miserable deaths, only postponed, they will still be oblivious to the part they played in it all.
These people are a Pox upon humanity, and the planet itself.
Real talk, capitalism will eventually end the real question is will it take all of us with it.