This is cruel, now I feel like some kind of criminal. Who knew that the most dangerous criminal is an ordinary consumer who wants freedom...
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This is why I moved to iPhone a few years ago. Every premium android was a legit knockoff of iPhone in every single way, down to the lack of a headphone jack and SD card slot. Why continue chasing these phones that aren’t even as good as the real thing?
Android USED TO be better than iPhone, but Google is just gung-ho on enshitification. Apple, for the walled garden that it is, at least works well with its eco system. Android is so fragmented and complicated that it’s collapsing under its own weight.
There's so much bullshit with smartphones now that make them a pain to use, I'm honestly considering at this point to just get a flipphone and buy separate devices for the things it can do. Get a camera, MP3 player, and portable DVD player and live life the way people did 20 years ago.
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Low key it was fun flashing roms back in Late 2023 on a Xiaomi Phone.
The only unfun part was unlocking the bootloader
Yes, Titanium Backup was great, but have you also tried Helium? Also where's Odin3?
I recognise almost all of picture one, but it's been a while since I used them, I should upgrade again. Is it really that much pain now?
Reminds me of old cell-phone service options. Free hours, rollover and prepay/pay-as-you-go/contractless etc.
Not sure how pricing/value actually compares, but it does seem like if you want a phone now for emergencies you're going to get fleeced (also required data package). Unless maybe you buy a flip-phone or something. A fiber provider in my area even still charges $40 for a land-line (no idea if it's VoIP).
In my country all you say is kinds the norm... wtf is up with telcos in wherever are you from?
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For those wondering what happened, the Android Open Source Project (ASOP) launched in 2007, but started decoupling major parts of the project from the main in 2012 instead forcing them to update through Google Play store and over time restricting access to the codebase before just this year deciding to shut down the ASOP.
In their defence, they've also made lots of changes to make android compatible with more devices and to make third party stores work better, but they've just as often made changes that intentionally harmed development of alternative android-based OS.
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Soo, anyone ELI5. If Android is basically Linux, how hard would it be - given drivers are not an issue - so just make a Linux phone and mass produce it? You probably don't have that many apps, but it will be possible to call and/or use messaging apps.
Linux is just the Kernel, Android is the OS. There's a ton of stuff on top of Linux that makes an Android device.
Making an Android device (or Android device hardware) run Linux isn't hard. In fact, you can just use Termux on pretty much any Android device to run a regular desktop Linux distro run in a container on Android. That way, the Linux distro uses the kernel from the host Android OS and just runs its own userspace parallel to Android's userspace.
But if you want to make a stand-alone Linux phone without Android, your biggest issue is that you won't have phone apps. There's close to no app support for phone-linux. So on your Linux phone you won't get any banking/authenticator/messaging/games/... apps. You can run desktop apps, but that sucks on a tiny touchscreen display. And many use cases (e.g. authenticator/two-factor/buying public transport tickets) are very cumbersome or sometimes even not possible on desktop OSes.
Now you an make your Linux phone run Android by emulating the Android userspace. That's possible, but then again you are basically running Android at that point anyway. But Android with one big caveat: It's not a Google Play Store Certified device, and it will never be if it's not running full Android.
And missing Google Play Store Certification means no google services and no apps that rely on Google Services or require Google Play Store Certification. That means e.g. no Banking/Authenticator apps and many games won't run.
Also, if you aren't actually running Android but some kind of Android emulator, you will always be outdated and buggy.
So essentially you made a phone that
- Runs Linux apps a little better than an Android phone
- Gives you more control
- Allows you to do much, much less in regards to it being an Android phone
People have done it. There are a handful of Linux phones (e.g. Librem 5, Pinephone) that are barely usable as phones due to lack of app support.
They've done the opposite as well, so running Linux on a phone originally designed for Android (e.g. PostmarketOS), also barely usable as a phone.
There's also the middle-ground with custom ROMs, some of them degoogled (like LineageOS, GrapheneOS, /e/ and many others). They run full-fat Android, but without all the Google apps including Play Store, Google Services and of course also without Google Play Store Certification. That's more usable as a phone, but you will still be cut off from anything using Google Services. There are some hacks and workarounds that sometimes work and sometimes not. You might get stuff to work but it's a constant race.
The problem is that currently if you want to use a phone as a full phone that covers all phone usecases, it's got to be an iPhone or a Google certified Android phone.
given drivers are not an issue
All the Linux phones run on outdated hardware because that's the main problem.
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Never forget the possibility of very powerful NFC tags which could automate your day!
What's the % of US users that use non-Apple non-Android smartphones, like <0.1% still right? I basically just use phone, SMS, browser and youtube on mine so possible I'll switch over when its tried and tested enough. Some tech experience but not enough with phones, specifically to be confident.
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so will linux foundation drop android using linux kernel?