I will never forget that Gavin Newsom vetoed ranked choice voting in CA. He's already demonstrated that he is anti-democratic. I would vote against Trump every time no matter who the DNC put up, including Newsom, but I would be holding my nose yet again to vote for the less shitty of two shitty choices. The DNC can't keep running on "we're not Trump." They needed to give us a candidate we actually wanted.
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I would vote against Trump every time no matter who the DNC put up
They needed to give us a candidate we actually wanted.
Apparently they don't
Astute viewers at home may have noticed that the Democrats just lost the last election with that strategy. Just because I'll hold my nose and do the necessary thing doesn't mean everyone else will. In fact, they didn't.
Just because I'll hold my nose and do the necessary thing doesn't mean everyone else will.
The 'necessary thing' is voting for a fascist multi millionaire? He may be slightly better than the current guy, since the bar to pass is so low, but he's very far from an actually valid candidate.
I understand different people have different situations in which the 'necessary thing' may vary. However, he'll only solve a handful of current issues plaguing the USA, if even that. From whefe I'm standing (which arguably is quite far away as I'm a European) you'd achieve much more by protesting. Especially given that there may not be another election in your country. Though I'm also aware protests in the USA may come with serious risk of injury or loss of life.
I guess you could call it "the bare minimum": voting against the worst option.
I don't know where in Europe you are, but fascist populism is on the rise over there too. You might want to get to protesting yourself.
Twice now they've lost against Trump by not giving people what they wanted.
The really weird thing I've noticed lately is just how vocal the "this isn't the time to divide the left" crowd are, when the elections are so far off. This is exactly the right time to be having a serious reckoning on what the Democratic Party should be, and that isn't going to happen unless there is a credible threat of losing left-wing voters.
If we’re not allowed to criticize candidates in the general then I’m gonna criticize them extra hard in the primaries.
I’m gonna have to vote for whoever everyone else picks anyway because my choice has literally never won.
What primary? I believe the little switcheroo they pulled to try and shove Kamalama-ding-dong down democrats throats, was on purpose. That makes 3 primaries in a row that the DNC fucked over democrats, which is why I registered Independent the last time I got a new license.
These are the same type of people who actively support neoliberalism and want to sabatoge the left. Ask them if they support Zohran Mamdani.
or that minnesota? mayor they threw in teh bus, and david hoggs they also did too.
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What's crazy is the DNC and state parties are partnering with Bernie and AOC for a national tour to retake the House...
And people see Newsom's shit posts and legitimately say:
At least he's doing something
All he's fucking doing is eating up the media's attention so they don't have to talk about actual shit.
He's also redistricting California and refusing to cooperate with Trump like other states have, such as volunteering national guard or mandating police cooperate with ICE, although the only instance I personally know of the police cooperating with ICE was in Denver Colorado and the state is now suing the deputy involved in that scandal.
That sad, it's not really fair to compare Newsom doing stuff to federal congressmen because, and this is true, congress is not currently in session for the entire month of August with the exception of very few senate meetings and scheduled hearings.
He’s also redistricting California
Eggs ain't chickens...
Besides, it's not on Newsom to do that, there's nothing he's actually doing.
It's handled by lower level state politicians deciding on if Cali voters will have a chance to vote on if it should happen.
If Newsom was just a megaphone and was talking about the work those people were doing to make it happen, I wouldn't be so negative about him. But he's textbook CEO claiming they personally built a product. He's Elon Musk before most people realized he's a piece of shit.
We have the best chance in 30 years for a progressive to win the Dem primary and then the general. We can't waste it just because Newsom hired some teenager for meme research.
IMO the best chance was in 2016 and when it failed the fallout was catastrophic. We can encourage people vote for our preferred candidate in the primary without insulting the opponent and creating tribalistic divides in the progressive party.
Nah, 2008 we had no chance. But when Obama won he ignored the DNC leaving neoliberals in charge.
So they focused on changing the "weak points" that allowed Obama to pull an upset. In 2016 Hillary was literally funding the DNC, and her campaign had final say on every action the DNC took and everything they said.
That wasn't even an agreement most members of the DNC were aware of, we only know because Donna Brazile blew the whistle as interim chair.
2016 I thought Bernie had a shot, but he never did. They very likely would have just went against the primary if he managed to win. That's how bad shit really was.
If anything I undersold how long it's been. Even back with Jimmy Carter the DNC faced a revolt because he was a hard right pivot compared to FDR and not really what Dem voters want.
The Overton window has just moved so far right, we remember him as the last good one and not the first moderate one. So I wouldn't object to the argument that this is the best chance in 50 years.
It's truly historic, but we had to go thru some shit to get here. And someone like Newsom would make it all worth nothing.
Jimmy Carter was an okay president. Despite his "decrease government spending" stance he was still able to establish the US Department of Education, continued the promotion of peace and aid to impoverished and war-torn regions (a stark reversal of the more aggressive policies of JFK's foreign policy failures, as well as policies of Ford and Nixon). Due to economic insecurity of the time he lost in a landslide to Reagan who went on to cut taxes for the rich, very unfortunate.
Carter was "ok" but the party pushing him almost caused the DNC to split, and was the begining of a move to the right that lasted generations...
You're comparing Carter to everyone who came after and said he's progressive.
While ignoring the Dem before him is widely recognized as the peak of modern liberalism, the thing before neoliberalism...
Lyndon Johnson's Great Society was aimed at expanding civil rights, public broadcasting, access to health care, aid to education and the arts, urban and rural development, consumer protection, environmentalism, and public services. He sought to create better living conditions for low-income Americans by spearheading the war on poverty. As part of these efforts, Johnson signed the Social Security Amendments of 1965, which resulted in the creation of Medicare and Medicaid. Johnson made the Apollo program a national priority; enacted the Higher Education Act of 1965 which established federally insured student loans; and signed the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 which laid the groundwork for U.S. immigration policy today. Johnson's civil rights legacy was shaped by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1968. Due to his domestic agenda, Johnson's presidency marked the peak of modern American liberalism in the 20th century.[2] Johnson's foreign policy prioritized containment of communism, including in the ongoing Vietnam War.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson
I'm not saying Carter was a useless piece of shit, I'm saying he's the one that started walking to the right, and the people after him went past the middle.
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He's also redistricting California
He got it on the ballot. He has no control over what voters do. It’s likely to pass, but if it doesn’t he gets to go “aw shucks, I tried!”
and refusing to cooperate with Trump like other states have, such as volunteering national guard
I mean, Trump deployed the California National Guard anyway. Not volunteering them didn’t actually accomplish anything.
I’m sorry to hammer on this but it’s important to not give him credit for things he didn’t actually do. The media disinformation/lack of proper explanation in articles about what exactly is going on with California redistricting makes it seem to many like Newsom is a magic man who’s making a bunch of new Democratic districts tomorrow, but it’s not even on the ballot until November and it’s not a guaranteed thing.
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There are many better options than Newsom, and if the dem party can't find true representatives, the party needs to be reborn.
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I refuse to vote for him after he appeared on Charlie Kirk's podcast, said he completely aligns with him on trans issues, in particular banning HRT for minors and putting trans women in men's prisons.
At the close of the podcast, Charlie Kirk shifted the discussion to transgender healthcare, stating, "I encourage you to learn about the butchery that is happening under chemical castration in this state. The American people are overwhelmingly against it." Newsom responded, "Yeah. I think we have to be more sensitized to that."
Kirk continued, "Youth should be off limits, you might be right on deportations, I know I’m right on this," to which Newsom simply acknowledged, "Yeah." Kirk then cited the Cass Report—a widely criticized and legally discredited review used to justify bans on transgender healthcare in the UK—as evidence that gender-affirming care for youth should be prohibited. Newsom offered no pushback, replying, "I’m not an expert on this, but I appreciate your broader [point]."
I honestly thought he was looking to run as a Republican in 2028. Fuck him. I'm done. I held my nose and voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris, but this is my breaking point. I've had it.
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A democrat who does awful things and "aspire[s] to be Ronald Reagan". That's not a democratic or liberal candidate. It's a conservative take-over of the democratic party.
It's a conservative take-over of the democratic party.
I mean... that already happened like 30 years ago. After Walter Mondale got so thoroughly trounced by Reagan in 84, the DNC started looking for their own Reagan. It took a few years to cultivate the right candidate, but Bill Clinton is ultimately who they chose.
People forget just how conservative he was because his famous sex scandal has crowded out any historical memory of his policy positions, but really the only difference between Clinton and Reagan is that Clinton balanced that budget. He was extremely conservative compared to contemporary democrats, but he was "folksy" and had the right kind of charisma to attract middle America. For Christ sake, the guy won Kentucky in both 92 and 96.
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seems like they are pushing him pretty hard, the DNC that is, seeing as how they freaked out over THE MINNESOTA mayor and zohran in nyc. having him doing some performative parlor tricks for the media.
The DNC seems to be fearful of losing their control of the party to younger, more progressive voices. So they keep advocating for the viability of closer-to-cenrer candidates who won't rock the party boat, even though they lose so many votes to folks uninspired to get out and vote for "the lesser evil". I will never "both sides" this mess, but the DNC needs to get its shit together and actually represent the median of "left" in the U.S. or it will continue to fail.
I don't mind the trolling but I definitely don't want democrat Trump. Doesn't matter anyway since there won't be an election in 2028.
BUT HIS INTERNS WROTE IN ALL CAPS. HE’S A GENIUS, SOME SAY NO ONE HAS NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE. EPIC. THANK FOR YOUR ATTESTATION OF THIS MASSAGE.
I'm already getting so many fundraising emails from Colin Alred's campaign in Texas
I feel like there are way more comments about how you can't make me support Newsom but people that actually… say you have to support Newsome. Like do they even really exist here?
It’s very clear he’s just campaigning.
Yeah being a shit poster is not the kind of leadership i want replacing Trump, especially when his other actions have been not to the standards of what i think of as a good person.
Fuck Newsom, we can and need to do better, rather than richer.
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We need to rember the recall election agianst him was pushed by republicans but wasn't baseless...the question wasn't was did he do it, it was who could replace him that isnt worse, when we saw mr drag a bear and generic white democrats, gavin won not on merit, but by default. By no means is a good candidate but he gives the people a good liberal bribe.
We cannont let a right wing governor take the reigns, and we dont want to lose what gavin has given us, thats where we stand.
Okay, I'm not doing purity politics, he can change his was and I can forgive him. There's still some years left.
I haven’t seen a single person say that there’s nothing he can ever do to make up for it. People are calling for him to stop the transphobia and persecution of the homeless.
Only "candidate" I've been excited about so far is Jon Stewart.
I wrote to him to encourage him to run against Trump. He was the best man for that job. I think in the future we should be able to do better.
We shouldn't need Jon's wit and Carlin-ism to cut through their facade next election. We should just be able to do it with truth.
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