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[โ€“] Redex68@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

I find it interesting how every post I see on Lemmy about Fairphone always has half of the comments complaining about the lack of a head home jack, but in real life I don't know a single person that really laments it's removal. All the people I personally know are fine with Bluetooth headphones. This is just such a loud minority, it's impressive. I know that there is overlap between people that want a headphone jack and people that want a repairable phone, but still, I feel it's way over-represented in the comments.

[โ€“] ptc075@lemmy.zip 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Since you asked, the lack of the headphone jack is the exact reason I have not upgraded my phone. I use my phone for music in my two cars and my home gym. None of those currently have Bluetooth.

Upgrading all 3 is just a matter of money of course - throw everything I have away & buy new. I see no reason to do that.

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[โ€“] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hated the loss of the jack until I got lightning/usbc headphones. The microphone and sound controls are so good I honestly widh my steam deck had a second USB c slot rather than a headphone jack

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[โ€“] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 10 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I still use a wired headphone.

You can't beat the battery life of Infinity. Go non stop for a complete day and even or you forgot to charge, keep using the next day without any downtime.

For me, this is just one less thing to worry about.

Plus, I can use mine on flights instead of their sorry excuse of electronic waste.

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[โ€“] UnityDevice@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They largely brought that on themselves. I mean obviously they did by removing the jack, but I think moreso by claiming to be better than the rest of the industry - and charging a premium for that difference.

When Samsung removed the jack it was annoying, and also very hypocritical as they had made fun of Apple for that just a year before, but it was to be expected from a corporation like that. These guys promised they weren't like that, and then did the same thing.

You can imagine it like this: if you see an ad by a pop star trying to sell you some bullshit product that doesn't work you'd think "that's shitty" and move on. But if you saw the same ad, but instead of the plain old pop star it was the members of Rage Against the Machine, you'd notice that a lot more. Everything they had done before would ring hollow, and every time someone would bring them up you'd remember that they're just posers looking to make a buck off of a demographic.

And that's how I feel about this phone. Just posing as something better.

[โ€“] Redex68@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I can see that, that's a fair point, but I don't think it's malicious from their standpoint. I just think that when you look at their sales, they really are trying to cut down costs as much as possible while retaining their main goals of being a repairable phone with ethical materials, because in the end, if they're not profitable, they won't be making phones anymore, and then you won't have a company making repairable or ethical phones at all. Headphone jacks are a relatively easy thing to remove because realistically, very few people use them nowadays. There is a vocal minority that wants them but they really are just a minority, and catering to every single niche for a company as small as them isn't realistic.

[โ€“] thejoker954@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I just want the option. Sure I use bluetooth 98% of the time, but when I'm in a car I'd rather hook in through the jack than the tooth. And when I'm out hiking I also like the jack option so I don't have to worry about my blutooth battery dying, bluetooth draining my phone faster, loosing an earbud in the leaves and so on.

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[โ€“] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You have been visited by the USB-C port. This post is now protected against headphone jack jihadists

[โ€“] spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Give me a phone with two USB-C ports so I don't need a dongle when I wire up to my USB-C headphones and battery bank

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[โ€“] kepix@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

cause you live in a part of the world, that has already gave up. including yourself.

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[โ€“] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I love that they finally listened and added back the jack!

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[โ€“] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not looking for a new phone for a few more years from now. But when I do I really hope that this phone will be available with a better camera and that Linux mobile options will be mature as well.

[โ€“] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The fairphone 5 actually did extremely well if you look at MKBHD's camera competition in 2024. If you don't care about having very over-saturated, over-sharpened, images that pop on social media, then it is actually very competitive (except for with the pixel beating everyone). Miles better than a HMD global or Samsung A-series camera. It looks better than the Samsung S series and daylight iPhone in many shots.

I think the 6 has a similar camera. It's never going to beat a DSLR, but it isn't meant to.

[โ€“] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As a Fairphone 5 owner, 6 seams like a downgrade to me, with it's USB 2. I don't care about whatever refresh rate they have, USB alt mode is way more important to me, also dropping audio jack was bad enough already.

[โ€“] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Well, the audio problem is not going to be worse with 2.0. USB 2.0 can deliver 480Mbps. Audio data rates are in Kbps. Even at 192kHz, 24 bui studio recordings it is only 4.6Mbps. Stereo audio is easy from a digital perspective. Also, USB 2.0 is MUCH less susceptible to bad hardware design, bad cables and dongles, and bad shielding. A single twisted pair at low speeds and minimal negotiation is much simpler and almost never drops. In a joystick design I did, I had a 20cm long untwisted pair in testing and it never dropped at all.

USB 3.0+ (and especially external display capabilities) is an order of magnitude more noise sensitive, impedance variation limited, and susceptible to bad design. If you use a non-twisted cable, it won't even negotiate USB 3.0 and will only work with 2.0.

That being said, USB 3.0+ for large file transfers and an external monitor desktop mode would be so much better, but I guess not many people use those.

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[โ€“] Chimrod@jlai.lu 28 points 2 weeks ago

The value of the fp is the refurbished market. All the component can be replaced, and the system will be maintained for years by the os.

I'm happy to see a new one in the market, because it means I will be able to upgrade my fp4 for cheaper now! ๐Ÿ˜

[โ€“] whaleross@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Article is paywalled for me

[โ€“] Broadfern@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago
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[โ€“] ozoned@piefed.social 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

$600 I'd go for it... $900 in the US... :-( can't justify it. I'll keep watching closely though. I so want one of these. As well as a Framework laptop, in the future.

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[โ€“] Sanctus@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol tariffs singing their magic tune for Trumpistan?,

[โ€“] wry@piefed.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

We are required to sing doot doot doot here, by law.

[โ€“] ctry21@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm very tempted to get one, at least once there's a lineage build for it, since it will let me finally degoogle completely. Currently on an S24 and even with ADB it's still a nightmare with the phone constantly telling me there's an "issue" with my google account (which doesn't exist anymore) and google services like gemini reinstalling after updates.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

/e/OS is a pretty good de-Googled alternative, fully supported. :)

[โ€“] zipping1039@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago

And based on lineage!

[โ€“] ctry21@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I might try it out then. I've heard mixed things on e, something about security patches coming months later than other ROMs, but I see murena claim that they are in line with most android manufacturers, just not as quick as hardened ROMs like graphene. Maybe I'll see this week about swapping over.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

A little rant about that, sorry in advance:

The Graphene team seems very busy trash talking /e/OS and Fairphone on social media (at least Mastodon) for not being secure enough.

Their criticism boils down to how nothing except GrapheneOS on a Pixel phone can ever be "secure enough", but they are weirdly aggressive and insistant about it targetting /e/ specifically.

I used to care when I saw their posts as of course I want my phone to be reasonably safe, but the more I looked at it the more it boled down to bullshit.

Furthermore:

  • They insist one should buy a Pixel phone produced by Google - avoiding Google is my #1 priority from the start. Clearly my values don't overlap with theirs
  • They pretend like /e/ is super dangerous because non-0-day exploits can get patched later. Yet /e/ provides software updates for much longer, while in the past all my phones that didn't break right away have immediately stopped receiving updates. Longer software support = more security.
  • Contained apps is not so important if you don't install random bullshit on your phone. I get as much as possible from f-droid, which is very well screened.
  • The communication of the GrapheneOS team around this has been pathetic to the point where I have frankly lost trust in the project. I struggle to trust a team I don't respect. /e/OS was started by the founder of Mandrake Linux, and as far as I've seen he seems to have values that align with mine.
  • I like /e/OS. It lets me avoid companies like Google, block trackers, and just use my phone free of things I hate and cannot control or understand. For me, that is security.
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[โ€“] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Exactly.

Since /e/OS is not a security-hardened mobile OS, it is targeting standard industry practices. Therefore, for a given release on month N, our current work-flow is to integrate Android security patches from month N-1. As a result, in the worst case, it will take up to 9 weeks to roll out the latest available security updates.In most cases, it will be much sooner.

An exception is made for 0-day exploits: in this case our policy is to build and roll out a patched version of /e/OS as soon as possible.

/e/OS and security updates

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[โ€“] RedStrider@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

these phones seem pretty intriguing to me with their focus on repairability but i genuinely don't see the point of they don't come with an audio jack

[โ€“] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed. Freedom from pricy expendable headphones is a thing. And converter-dongles are a ghetto stop-gap created to check boxes on a brochure.

[โ€“] Jumi@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

I've been using my FP6 with e/os for a week now and I'm very happy with it.

My phone before it was a S10.

[โ€“] vga@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Please release an FP6 mini. Model its size on iphone 13 mini or better yet, the 2018 SE. It would be worth more to me than the current gigantic model so I would pay more for it.

[โ€“] Redex68@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

The problem is a lot of people say they want small phones, but in practice almost nobody actually buys small phones. The reason companies don't make them, and many have tried, is they just don't sell. Fairphone is a pretty small company. They do not sell that many phones, so having multiple SKUs of the same phone would just tank their profitability.

[โ€“] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I agree. FP needs to walk a fine line between ethics and being profitable. In FP threads people keep making demands instead of being able to compromise

You worked to create a phone made with ethical factory conditions which no one else does? How nice! Wait, what do you mean it doesn't have a headphone jack/ is too big?! I don't care about the people anymore

Same with people saying "the price is not worth it for a mid tier phone" yes of course it's not, you're partly paying for how it's manufactured, which has no direct benefit to you as a user. This is an ethical purchase. Recycled cotton t-shirts made in Germany cost 40 euro, I wonder why?

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[โ€“] lnxtx@feddit.nl 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[โ€“] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 17 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Is this a real complain or I'm too obtuse to understand this as a running joke?

I mean there have been usb c to 3.5 for quite a while now.

[โ€“] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously. I'm also not getting a new car every friggin' year so I still drive something without bluetooth (I also can't just get a new radio for it) and would rather listen to my own playlists than ads on the radio.

The acceptable compromise would be packaging a 3.5mm to USBC jack with the goddamn phone. If the real reason it's not there was because of space in the device, this practice would be standard.

[โ€“] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago

Packaging the USB-C-to-3.5 doesn't solve the problem for me. I could plug in a headphone or line out AND a charger at the same time. And yes I frequently used that. There's are adapters that do both, but they are fiddly.

Also I will need to have that stupid adapter with me. I have many many headphones. There's a headphone in every jacket I own (you never know when your need one). Every backpack. I then forget to bring the fucking adapter, and what use is all the depositing of headphones so I'll always have one? I'm not adding adapters to my headphone stashes, that's for sure.

[โ€“] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I really do want it because I hate being forced to buy superfluous shit that didn't need to exist to get the same functionality I had previously

This is the same enegry as complaining about a new car not being able to play your old tapes.

[โ€“] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

When CDs started taking place of cassettes, most vehicles had BOTH tapedecks and CD players. They didn't immediately ditch the old shit. They actually compromised.

[โ€“] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

And how long have phones and cars had bluetooth and aux?

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[โ€“] Allero@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is a real complaint, and for me personally, it's a complete dealbreaker.

There have been converters, but I don't want to choose whether I want to charge my phone or listen to music (ยฟpor quรฉ no los dos?, i.e. "why not both?"). I also don't want to add up lines of dongles for something as primitive and actively used as a headphone jack.

3,5mm jack doesn't take much space and is used by many people, so why remove it?

For regular companies, the answer is clear: to sell you wireless devices often produced by the same companies, costing more.

But for Fairphone, a "fair" company that always shipped their phones with it, this seems like a betrayal. Failing to mention this giant point of concern is not great for a review article, either.

[โ€“] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Real complaint.

[โ€“] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago

yeah so? If you need to regularly use one of those then that is a good argument for having it in the device itself

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[โ€“] dudesss@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

Canada please!

[โ€“] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 weeks ago

" is no longer a compromise (except in the US)"

Yeah that's about what I expect ๐Ÿฅน

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