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[โ€“] kepix@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

cause you live in a part of the world, that has already gave up. including yourself.

[โ€“] Redex68@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I mean, I didn't give up anything? What do I have to give up? The user experience is objectively way better with wireless earbuds. You don't have to care about a cable being tugged around, battery life is a non-issue for me. I've never ran out of battery on my headphones and modern connectivity is pretty good, I've never had them fail to connect or anything like that. The only people that have any sort of benefit from wired headphones are audiophiles, that I can assure you 95% of people are not. They will not notice a difference between the headphone jack and wireless earbuds. Even if you gave me a headphone jack, I wouldn't use it. I just do not have a reason to use one. I've been using wireless Wi-Fi headsets for my PC for a long while now, I don't even use a headphone jack on my PC. It's just way more convenient having wireless headsets.

[โ€“] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The user experience is objectively way better with wireless earbuds

Not objectively. There are plenty of problems with Bluetooth headphones. If you don't do anything "serious" with audio it's not a problem.

But:

  • Audio quality is worse (mathematical fact)
  • Latency is high
    • So high it's impossible to make music / play beats via Bluetooth
  • Packets drop due to external interference

All of this can be solved with USBC audio but that's not wireless of course.

[โ€“] Redex68@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I was more so focusing on the overall user experience, so including the ease of use and the convenience of not having to fight with a cable. I definitely agree that Bluetooth earbuds aren't perfect. They have their issues. But I feel like for the general user, they objectively offer an improved experience. 90 or 95% of people can't hear the difference between wired and wireless earbuds. If you don't care about audio quality then I feel like it has objectively more upsides than it has downsides. As people mentioned about cars and the like, there are instances where having a headphone jack is necessary, but I feel like the number of cases where this issue is unavoidable and is a real problem for people is so minuscule that it's not worth it for the companies to bother.

I mean, in the end, I personally don't care if a phone has a headphone jack. It's not like I wouldn't buy it because it has one. I was more so triggered by the people constantly screaming at every phone for not having a headphone jack, when in reality it's not important for most people.

[โ€“] bollybing@lemmynsfw.com -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
  • Audio quality is worse (mathematical fact)

I cannot tell the difference

  • Latency is high

I cannot tell, even when gaming

Packets drop due to external interference

Only had an issue once in a busy airport, otherwise not an issue for me.

I'm not saying my case is universal and there's no reason anyone would ever want a 3.5mm jack, but there's plenty of people like me who would really never use it.

[โ€“] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah like I said in my original comment, if you don't do anything serious with audio then it doesn't matter. However if you do, then it matters and BT just simply isn't good enough.

Apple themselves even admit this. If you open up Logic on iPad (a digital audio workstation made by apple) it warns you that using Bluetooth is going to suck.

Edit: Also worth pointing out my original comment isn't about analog headphones jacks Vs Bluetooth it's about wired vs Bluetooth. USB C is fine in terms of the complaints I'm making about BT.

[โ€“] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My main question is why you think you'll need low latency for audio production on a phone.

[โ€“] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is a confusing question.

You need low latency to produce music on any device.

[โ€“] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My comment was about producing it on a phone, if you're trying to produce music why are you using a phone? Why is it a concern?

[โ€“] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think many people are making the next top 40 single with nothing but a phone.

That being said there are plenty of high quality music making apps on phones and tablets. Apple's Logic Pro and Koala Sampler come to mind. Even if it won't handle the full production, is a great way to get started when inspiration hits.

There is also an entire class of synthesizer / modeller that can ONLY really be played on a touchscreen (see GeoShred).

It's also (IMO) a bit gatekeepy to suggest that good music can't be made on the simplest of equipment. There are so many absolutely fire tracks that have been made on nothing but a pirated copy of FL studio and a school laptop. Before that it was a tape recorder in the bathroom.

[โ€“] snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh I'm not gatekeeping, I don't care what you make music on, it just seems like a very niche group that would have that specific concern. The latency has gotten a lot better in the past 10 years or so though.

[โ€“] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

You don't really know the meaning of objective do you?

Look at the thread for "objective" reasons people want the jack.