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[–] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This map is very inaccurate, as it neglects those who had consumed electrical energy through lightning striking them. That cooked flesh didn't come for free!

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It also neglects rubbing on some fabrics and shocking friends and family with the charged static electricity.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We have a bit of electricity in our nervous systems too, yes?

[–] Sergio@piefed.social 0 points 4 days ago

Yeah, there's electricity in the brain, for example.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 4 days ago

Those people were condemned as witches. Best not to think about it.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Ancient civilizations, including the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans, used electric fish for medical treatments.

Thales of Miletus discovered static electricity (600 BC) by rubbing amber and observing its ability to attract light objects.

[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago

They just took the aggregate population, and rounded down based on kWh.

[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

That's not consumption, that's agony.

This is fake. I've seen maps from that time, and they looked a lot different than this one.

[–] tallricefarmer@sopuli.xyz 0 points 4 days ago (3 children)

it is not completely useless as it seems to give an accurate portrayal of geopolitical boundaries at the time.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm so happy that they put the 1507 borders on. Someone spent some real effort and thought on this completely pointless thing.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm guessing they just found a map from the time period and added the electricity bit as the meme. Very little effort involved.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 days ago

But still effort

[–] jayemar@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago

Agreed, I just wish they'd labeled that countries, or whatever the equivalents were

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 0 points 3 days ago

I'm pretty sure the Crown of Aragon wasn't part of France in 1507 so I wouldn't trust the rest the map either.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

It would be useful to see electricity consumption by source. A breakdown by hydro, fossil fuels, nuclear...etc would be more useful.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i dunno. with all those carpets and tapestries, there must have been some static sparks somewhere!

[–] Pika@rekabu.ru 0 points 3 days ago

Also lightning strikes. Back in the day fires from various natural sources, including lightning strikes, were used to keep fire going, so that counts!

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It would be interesting (if the data was available) to see the energy consumption in Europe at that time: windmills, horses drawing carts, cooking fires, etc.

[–] addie@feddit.uk 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Visited a traditional water-powered flour mill recently. Very cool, beautiful building, and the end product makes really delicious bread and pasta. Wholemeal, not too fine, nothing in it but grain. Perfection.

From the water flow, drop and wheel turning rate, I made the maximum possible power as about 5 kW. Probably optimistic to think you'd get a quarter of that in practice. Still, that's a huge amount compared to what a person can produce, and it's 'on tap' 24 hours a day. That kind of thing does explain why, in the days before electrification, that having 'the right landscape' made some areas really wealthy and some others not. Exploitable renewable energy, what a concept.

So yeah, your proposed map would be really interesting. The Romans burned down whole forests to make steel - you simply couldn't refine it in a place without. It would be fascinating to see the map of "power resources" and the resulting industries, even if it would be very hypothetical.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking about. I think in the modern world we underestimate how much "power" was being used on a daily basis before the industrial revolution. The main thing the industrial revolution gave the world is the potential to have constant, predictable power in a location that was convenient.

Windmills and water mills could be pretty powerful. But, as you said, location was everything. And, in the case of wind, it wasn't always predictable. And in map form, it would be really cool to know where that power was being generated, and what effect that might have had on another kind of power: political power.

[–] DanielFriedrich@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

There is a great book and journal article from Barnabas Calder which links architecture to available energy. It covers the available energy since prehistoric times in some detail.

Here is a blog article from them: https://www.architectural-review.com/essays/keynote/form-follows-fuel-energy-hungry-architecture

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

You forgot the various forms of slavery

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

Western Sahara with the rare reporting in.

[–] hanke@feddit.nu 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, cool and all, but what are the blue areas?

[–] Phineaz@feddit.org 0 points 3 days ago

Also great: A heads-per-capita count of every country!

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 0 points 3 days ago

Somehow, the fact that it’s set in 1507 instead of 1500 really tickles me! Like, you wouldn’t believe how much changed in those 7 years!

Rabbit hole time.

So there actually was some electrical research being conducted in 1705, but it was all static electricity. It could be argued that there was a non-zero amount generated and consumed, but it's really, really small. ChatGPT threw out a value of "20 milliwatts" for this, citing that it was "about the power of a dim LED".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Hauksbee

[–] vale@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 days ago
[–] x0x7@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

This reminds me of the classic. What did communists use before candles?