Already signed up. Got the login verification email, followed through and did the security thing, “type the word from our sidebar below” passed all that and can not login.

I appreciate that but don’t bother. I tried with the instance listed in this post and still got the same login issues even after receiving the email to login and passing the security check etc. I deleted the app. I’ve tried enough times and never had any success so I won’t be trying again.

I think they signed up at 50501.chat.

It's a shame that Lemmy is missing out on new users just due to signup issues.

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Frankly? Good.

I hate to be the asshole, but if someone is either that stupid, or that unwilling to put in even the most basic effort, I don't want them here.

My mom signed herself up for lemmy. In her early seventies, kinda ignorant of tech stuff, and did it all on her lonesome. So did my 12 year old niece. So did my cousin with Downs.

Yeah, a kid with downs syndrome could manage to sign up for lemmy. Didn't need any help beyond "hey, hairball, which lemmy?". That's it. Just wanted to know what instance he should pick.

But he sure as fuck got logged in just fine.

So, when I see these people on reddit that can't be bothered to do what you would do on any website that you have trouble logging into, I'm perfectly fine with them not being here. They aren't going to be bringing anything useful with them at all.

[–] cabbage@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure, I've met some lovely people whose technical incompetence is nothing short of incredible. And if you try signing up for an instance you've been recommended and the sign-up process is broken, I understand that it can be disheartening.

Sure, Reddit is full of bad actors who just want to discredit alternatives, and clearly these people are not trying hard and they probably don't completely understand what Lemmy is, but I think it's still worth listening to their concerns.

At this point I'm willing to believe your mother and cousin with downs are both more likely to figure things out than the average 20-something, for the simple reason that they are not used to everything being so goddamn easy and not offering the slightest resistance. When you see the discourse on Reddit, a lot of people seem to be unaware of the difference between platforms and apps. Which shouldn't be a problem, if they can contribute to a meaningful discussion about whatever they do have an interest in.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Agreed

[–] drtaco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (6 children)

that unwilling to put in even the most basic effort, I don’t want them here.

That's the sort of gatekeeping that keeps a service as a tiny niche forever.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There is a difference between someone keeping a gate, and someone not caring enough to learn how to open a latch on a gate.

The user from the post could have asked if anyone knew why it wasn't working, asked for help, tried a different instance, googled the reason why that might be occurring, tried a different browser, or any number of things, but instead they just hit the first speed bump and decided to get out of the car.

For that user to have been gate kept, they would have had to have asked a lemmy user for help, to which the lemmy user refused to help them. This did not happen. The only person remotely gate keeping that user is themselves.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The user from the post could have asked if anyone knew why it wasn't working, asked for help

The user did do this. That's what their comments are. The problem is that their comments were not seen by the appropriate people (the instance admins) before they got frustrated and gave up.

[–] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Hmmm, I don't see them asking for help there myself.

I see them making statements that they don't know how it works and that they tried once or twice, but not asking for help explicitly, because I don't think they wanted help as shown by how that conversation goes.

When someone actually starts asking them some questions, unprompted, to try troubleshooting, the user comes back with:

"I appreciate that but don’t bother. I tried with the instance listed in this post and still got the same login issues even after receiving the email to login and passing the security check etc. I deleted the app. I’ve tried enough times and never had any success so I won’t be trying again."

So the moment someone offered them help they did not ask for, they turned it down immediately.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This is wrong and bad and not the way. It should be easy. The entire Fediverse should be the easiest to use, not the hardest.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

As someone who still uses these occasionally : It's much easier to use than Reddit, Facebook or Twitter without their privacy invading apps. Their browser experience is laughably bad on smartphones (especially Reddit which is barely functional, and that is not an exaggeration), Lemmy is buttery smooth by comparison, even if we take in consideration the occasional home instance/federation hiccups.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

I'm not sure how a subjective opinion can be wrong, but whatever.

It is easy to use.

Seriously, the only difficulty is in being patient. That's it. It takes some instances longer to approve an account than others, which can mean it'll be a big longer after that before you can log in.

Like, I just made an alt account for this user name recently took overnight to be able to log in. No weird crap, just patience. I've had to wait longer on independent forums for hobbies. Same experience with a recently made alt of my author user name, only it took maybe an hour before I could log in.

There's zero difficulty in the process that isn't also present everywhere online.

Lemmy is a community driven, usually small admin team network. Big whoop, a little delay. It isn't like you can't scroll passively while you wait. You have access to that much, and if someone has the sense to do that, then maybe they have the sense to pay attention to instance and community rules as well.

[–] Whateley@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

What a juvenile and elitist attitude. It's a fucking link aggregator, not a litmus test for someone's intelligence or value. Grow the fuck up.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I have many people in my disability support groups I recommended lemmy too and they were unable to use it.

(Our disability comes with severe cognitive problems and reduced energy, and trying to sign up was too much)

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[–] boreengreen@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My bigest hurdle was choosing instance. I get paralyzed by not obvious choices.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago

I had the same problem. I just went with .world as the "default" and then spent some time learning about the different instances and moved to dbzero.

In all of it, I never had any problems.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (13 children)

The fact that this trash comment got 60 up votes IS the main issue.

A large group of Lemmy actively wants to stay a elitist circle jerk...

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago

This is going to be a big problem because like it or not, it is the large group of "laugh and upvote" people who make platforms successful, the ones who never create content or have strict dedication, yet still influence the platform by way of voting patterns and occasional comments.

Without these people the platform ends up being emptier, and less people will want to create content when they get less attention. So the elitist attitude that "They need to be dedicated to join, fill out the application to determine your worthiness" ends up hurting the Fediverse much more than it helps it.

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[–] theblips@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Idk, I'm on lemm.ee because I tried sh.itjust.works and just never got an email. It is frustrating when it happens

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I accidentally did one for ml and world's and never got a response, realized those are authotarian sites

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Really dodged a bullet with ml

[–] TheDude@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey there! I'm sorry that you didn't receive the activation email. Can I ask how long ago this was? I recently changed our email provider and want to make sure it wasn't after the fact. Thanks!

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

change your url to sh.itdont.work

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago

I don't think this is very fair towards them, as far as all the instances go they are the best in terms of ease of signup, especially considering many instances out there are manual review with application questions. Compared to that they're significantly better than most.

I know some people have bitter feelings towards the idea of not gatekeeping instances to hardcore dedicated enthusiasts but if we want the Fediverse to be successful we need to be able to appeal to regular people who just want to enter username, email, password, probably a captcha too, and signup.

Technical problems will always happen but all things considered they've been very good about fixing them.

[–] Die4Ever@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

On Reddit you see tons of people giving up due to signup issues, usually due to emails I think. Instance admins should really double check their process and make sure it's all working often.

And the app devs too, if you can signup through the app gotta make sure it works on instances with captchas/email verification/etc

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 days ago

missing out on new users just due to signup issues.

George Carlin has a lot to say about half the people on the planet.

[–] absentrevision@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I had the same thing happen (50501.chat) I answered all their questions and got denied.

Considering their situation it's an odd behavior

I've made tons of Lemmy accounts with no issue on different instances

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 0 points 6 days ago

Meh, oh well. Good luck to them.

You can never expect perfection on any service. Especially a non for profit. It takes time and sometimes technical difficulties.

Also, there's a bunch of other instances to try or even trying to find contact information should have been first instinct.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca -1 points 6 days ago

What a wimp. I couldn't sign up on my first instance so I lurked for a week and tried another instance. Just think of how much the fediverse would be saved of my pleasant quips if I gave up so easily

[–] x00z@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago

Could just be paid actor. Reddit has been ticking off all the other red flags already, so why would it not try and destroy reputations this way?

[–] digitalnuisance@lemm.ee -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Good. Let the stupids hit the darwinian great filter of "figure out how to make an account with more than 2 brain cells" and never make it here. Will hopefully mitigate yet another eternal September.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Ugh, fuckin Reddit losers

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