Putin has repeatedly said that Zelensky is illegitimate and would not negotiate with him. Guess who isn't invited to this particular set of negotiations?

The US has opened negotiations in a strong position by giving one side everything they asked for, to the point that the Russians are trying to figure out what else they can get away with.

When Trump eventually concludes negations it'll be every bit as hollow as Bush standing on an aircraft carrier with a mission accomplished banner behind him. Trump will demand a Noble prize, just like the one Obama got. Peace will not be achieved.

[–] Mio@feddit.nu 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is not a negotiation if the partners making the deal is not included.

Trump just looking for what he can win from this. He does not care if the deal is fair.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

That isn't the point of these talks. Trump, has no ideology other than what makes Trump look good. I'm that vein, these talks will

Get Trump a Nobel prize for ending an "intractable" war. Suck it Obama.
Stop sending money outside the US. Trump as far as I can tell has never had any friends. He can't figure out why you would help any one who is worse off you than yourself.
Which brings me to the final point. Putin, is on paper the stronger person in this conflict. Trump doesn't see character as a useful trait, which in this comparison completely negates what ever Ukraine and Zelensky bring to the table. I don't think any one knows why he likes the man so much, but Trump clearly wants to ingratiate himself with him, so he's bending over backwards to give him what he wants.

[–] NoxAstrum@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Trump thinks he's some sort of great negotiator. Putin is laughing the whole time.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, it'll be worse. Trump will use this as a way to remove all sanctions from Russia. He will basically try to reinstate Putin as part of the world economy. After this war of aggression, after all this destruction and death, Trump wants to brush Putin off and put a Halo on it.

Fuck that orange shit stain.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Just wait until he starts selling F35s to Russia

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

On the time line we got... Possible

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For context, as a writer at The Atlantic described it:

The negotiators displayed mainly incompetence, as well as cringeworthy servility to their master in the White House. Trump’s part, though, was pure malignity. Shortly after the meeting ended, he criticized Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, lied about the latter’s polling numbers, and said, in a particularly callous remark, that Ukraine had had a seat at the table for three years. How being invaded and having your civilians tortured, raped, and slaughtered counts as a seat at the table is beyond understanding.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a seat at Hannibal Lector's table.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

Nah, Lecter was educated, smart, and charismatic.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not beyond understanding. It's corruption and treason. Putin is now POTUS when it comes to Ukraine, and NATO apparently

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Putin is POTUS period.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Putin stand behind the man that stands in front of the president of the USA. Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.

What a democracy, the jewel of the free (market) world.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Elon is the governor. Putin is the emperor. Trump is the jester.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Jesters are the ones that tell the truth to the king without fear of execution. Trump couldn't be a jester if he tried. He can't joke or jape, he has nothing but hate in his heart.

Edit: I forgot to add that he is pathologically unable to actually tell the truth, the most important part of the jesters job.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Elon first, then Putin, then Dump.

Very disrespectful to leave out Saudi Arabia here.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If this is how Trump negotiates, I think we cash see why he been bankrupt so many times

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

his lack of ability to negotiate has been known for decades. The guy is a clown

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It wasn't even that long ago that the news was reporting on Russian troops massing on the border for a "training exercise". How the fuck do people forget that Russia was undeniably the aggressor in this conflict?

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Only Trump did I think.

The war dates before that. Since 2014 Russia had snipers in dombas.

Reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-qO42qjShg

[–] jabeez@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only Trump did I think.

Unfortunately not, have seen quite a few on here just today regurgitating the idea that the Ukraine goaded Russia into invading, so it's like, Ukraine's fault and they started it. Or something. Fuck I hate people, just absolutely no shame, reality is whatever the hell they want it to be I guess.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well Ukraine shouldn't dress like that. Showing their grain and warm water port for all to see. Everyone knew they were selling their grain to all sorts of people. They should've seen it coming really /s obviously

[–] bss03@infosec.pub -1 points 2 weeks ago

It's complicated. Ukraine didn't directly attack Russian people or infrastructure, but they did take actions that would have reduced Russia power, and Russia did consider that casus belli. From that perspective, Ukraine did start the war.

I don't agree with this interpretation, and I think it is hard to square with "international law", but it is a form of realpolitik that the U.S. has engaged in previously (and likely will in the future), overthrowing or manipulating Central and South American nations, in particular.

It doesn't surprise me AT ALL, that Trump would buy into this interpretation. Even without his known Russian biases due to funding, he really doesn't see the point or ethics or morality. For him it's just about power and heirarchy, so realpolitik is his only possible perspective on how any government or leader should behave.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Rapist blames victim.

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I hope the world treats him like the cowardly incontinent little bitch he is

Nobody should fear or respect a single word from this scumbag, call his fucking bluff and that of his spineless and thoughtless followers

Strip them of their lil platform of bullshit

Alienate the US politically and economically until they respond to financial impact of their errors

Drag these dumb cunts through the streets for the world to see, there's no time for this bullshit with these dickless hoes

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Donald Trump's entire career seems to be built on a single expression he makes. Essentially the one in that picture. I'm not sure what it is but it conveys some combination of superiority, disdain, and disinterest. It's clearly very successful at establishing dominance, for some reason. Awful man.

[–] Mark_shirley@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 weeks ago

It was Obama and Clinton not zelensky. Zelensky was merely their tool

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

US is negotiating on behalf of Russia while EU is jerking off in the corner like a pathetic cuck.

Ukraine is so fucked and free world is a bunch of limp dick clowns.

Ukraine needs nukes.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ukraine needs Nato membership.

Fuck Russia and fuck Trumpland for opposing it.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

NATO is not happening now.

EU will NOT do what it takes. Germany's ruling oligarch clan wants Russian gas back on, everyone else can get fucked.

Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to defend itself properly.

I hope they already started the assembly. Ukraine tried to play by the rules and look where it go it. Geopolitics at the end of the day who has the guns and will to use them.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Oligarch clan" LMFAO. You'd rather tame a herd of cats.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Germany foreign policy or lack there of speaks for itself.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Like this? Like switching domestic heating over to heat pumps? Germany isn't planning on using any fossil gas in the future, the stuff that will be left (because it cannot be avoided, e.g. as chemical feedstock, or to reduce iron ore) will be green hydrogen.

Also I'm sorry you don't like Gepards, or Leopards. Or Lynxes. Big cats in general.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza with direct support from Germany
Ukraine is losing the war to Russian in part because Germany's support has been spotty at best.
US maintains 40k troops within Germany to defend it against Russia when Germany can barely slap two operational brigades for deployment while spending similar tomoney to France who actually maintains a proper defense posture. Who is stealing all this defense money?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand
Neither is Ukraine losing nor has the support been spotty. It could certainly be more intense, but it has been steady.
Where is what money? Our defence budget has been a joke for ages.

Go back to lemmygrad, FUD there.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On topic on hand is germany's failed foreign policy.

And your response is a lot of cope.

Clearly looks Germans dont understand the situation their regime has put them in... In 2025 🤡

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The topic you started was Germany allegedly being an oligarchy, moreso, that those oligarchs would form a singular clan. And I must disappoint you: The foreign policy failures of the last decades are very much a topic that's talked about in German politics.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 2 weeks ago

German foreign policy was shaped by oligarchs wanting access to cheap Russian gas for their companies. T

These people are still in charge and Germans are still in denial. Ukraine support is such pain in the ass is because these people obstruct the state from running a proper foreign policy.

These same clowns support Israel too due commercial ties.

I am happy to hear that Germans recognize the failure of these policies but nothing is really showing currently that Ukraine war is a real issue for Germany. Germany is completely fine for Ukraine to fold so it can return to buying Russian gas on the cheap.

Germany is supposed to be leading Ukraine war afford from American perspective. Instead we had to blow Nord Stream 2 with great of Nord stream 1 being next if Germany didn't get its act together.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

NATO means nothing because Trump won't back NATO if a NATO country is attacked. Trump wouldn't defend the US even if the US was invaded.

Going forward, Europe needs to assume there's no US. If they can't supply Ukraine, they can't supply NATO.

[–] theUwUhugger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Eu membership entails that we defend each other! Its just never was called for bef

But Russia really broke its fangs into Ukraine, the big strong russian warmachine can’t deal with lil poor Ukraine… So its not like our mutual def pack will be called now!