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With the recent issues of Tea (teaforwomen.com) posting unsecured user data, it's easy to spot the heavy bias of male users in the comments. With a 90% male demographic, Lemmy will face problems related to a homogeneous user population and all the issues that come with it. Right now, it's shaping up to be misogynistic, but it could also head into other bad places. Lemmy needs to attract a more diverse population of users or will end up as another echo chamber for the like minded. https://www.similarweb.com/website/lemmy.ml/#demographics

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[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 84 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You're talking about a specific instance Lemmy.ml which isn't even the biggest instance, but basically a tankie instance.

You should at least bring together the data of the biggest top 10 instances.

I also wonder how that website decides if I'm male or female.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you haven't outright stated female then you're obviously male. Probably even then too because there are no girls on the internet. Duh.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

TheY dId tHE rEseaRCH

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd say there's a lot bigger problems with .ml's user base than what that site is looking at too...

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

.ml is the r/conservative of the left

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Not fair, conservatives show up to vote and therefore get more of their agenda done. Those tankies would leave us all for dead as long as it they keep their perceived purity.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Marx said democracy is a tool for the bourgeois /s

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago

And yet the tankies argue DPRK and CCP are democracies...

Still, minimizing harm is helpful to growing our progressive movements.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 1 day ago
[–] mwalimu@baraza.africa 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

How do you track gender category when it is not listed or asked anywhere on the forums?

[–] borokov@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Rule 30 of internet: https://archive.org/stream/RulesOfTheInternet/RulesOfTheInternet..txt

Where did you get your license bro ?

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Women aren't online, duh.

They're really cool allies. You wouldn't understand

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

We made it the fuck up obviously. Everything on the internet is true anyways

[–] tonytins@pawb.social 28 points 1 day ago

One instance isn't representative of the whole network.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where does the data come from? I don't think Lemmy stores such kind of data.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I believe similarweb tracks web usage of thousands of validated users (i.e. they know their demographic profile) and they extrapolate on a per site basis form there.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

How could that possibly lead to a bias? /s

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

If you have 10,000+ users that are a representative sample of all internet users (or pretty close), your estimates should be pretty good for popular sites.

Your sample might still be small for lemmy.ml.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

I think the demographic for lemmy (and lemmy.ml in particular) is so niche and so biased towards privacy that even with a bigger sample, it's next to impossible to get really good data. Probably good enough to say that it's very likely that there's a significantly skewed gender distribution, though. The user polls that were done on my instance showed similar results IIRC.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Agreed on both counts! :)

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

We call it statistics around these parts. But yeah, it's guesswork.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 1 points 17 hours ago

Statistics is to guesswork what data is to anecdotes.

[–] Zeppo@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

Lemmy.ml specifically? I doubt if it's representative of Lemmy as a whole.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 11 points 16 hours ago

Lemmy mainly attracts nerds and people into niche technology, which is already predominantly composed of men, so yeah, obviously

Doesn't mean it will be misogynistic. People just don't need to act like assholes and we'll be good

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 11 points 22 hours ago

If you think about it, it kinda makes sense. The fediverse is not a safe place for women especially not the average normie women, due to the fediverse's very public nature of things and general inability to really delete anything.

Reddit can detect and deal with stalkers, you can make your profile more private. Lemmy can't do a whole lot when every instance is firehosing all the data in realtime to everyone's servers. It's a scary amount of data I have in my local Postgres database: everyone's every vote, comments, tied to a profile, with accurate timestamps and all.

If they use an instance without the image proxying, I can also potentially trick them into loading an image from my server and collect IP addresses and correlate to a user via vote timing, and then use GeoIP to get a location.

Lemmy's also very appealing to those that can't stop getting themselves banned from elsewhere as some instances are very friendly to unlimited free speech and gross behaviour. I don't have data to back this claim, but I feel like there's definitely a correlation with those kinds of people and women not feeling safe around them.

[–] Balerion@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 22 hours ago

In addition to the issues others have pointed out, reddit was like this back in the day too. It's not that weird, even if it is true.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn't know that ml still exists LOL

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Instance block gang represent!

*Throws weird gang-sign nobody has seen before nor since*

EDIT: Downvoted by one admins from each instance I've blocked