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The Sapienza computer scientists say Wi-Fi signals offer superior surveillance potential compared to cameras because they're not affected by light conditions, can penetrate walls and other obstacles, and they're more privacy-preserving than visual images.

[…] The Rome-based researchers who proposed WhoFi claim their technique makes accurate matches on the public NTU-Fi dataset up to 95.5 percent of the time when the deep neural network uses the transformer encoding architecture.

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[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 153 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ironically, a tin foil hat would probably work to prevent that kind of surveillance

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 day ago

A faraday hat.

[–] hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

wouldn’t that make it worse? basically any signal can bounce off you, making yourself even easier to track.

edit: wording

[–] besselj@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The tracking happens even with a big reflector/scatterer on your head, but as long as you dont wear it regularly, the system would have difficulty identifying you from wave propagation alone

[–] Flagstaff@programming.dev 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So wear many different hats. Got it.

[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, wouldn't you anyway? You don't wear your good Sunday tinfoil hat to work. That one's for church and swinger club visits only!

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Many different items of tinfoil clothing. Tinfoil shirt today, tinfoil codpiece for the weekend

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 114 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a very unique fingerprint he's got.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 8 points 1 day ago

"Hey boss come look. This microwave is walking around again"

[–] hisao@ani.social 73 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've seen some article recently that the patterns of Wi-Fi/Bluetooth (don't remember which one) interference with brainwaves can be scanned to reconstruct brainwave signature remotely, meaning that it might be possible to scan anyone's EEG from Wi-Fi/Bluetooth distance. And there are some AI advancements for reconstructing inner monologue from EEG. So maybe we're not so far from actual remote mind-reading.

[–] jmill@lemmy.zip 70 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A truly horrifying prospect.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (5 children)
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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You had non work related thoughts on three separate occasions last week. Please report to HR for attitude adjustment.

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[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world 72 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Great, another dystopian way for authorities to observe me on the shitter

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Your poo time has expired and your pay is docked. Flushing will cost 50 dollars for the next week. Get back to work

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You get poo time? That's socialism!

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[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 64 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why would someone research something like this? God damn, like use your life for good, homie

[–] StenSaksTapir@feddit.dk 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well I heard about this and thought "this will be great for home automation", but I also know that someone was equally excited about using this to rob people of basic freedoms or being a fucking creep or both.

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[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can imagine this being initially an accidental discovery like oh every time so and so’s body interacts with the WiFi signal it’s the same pattern… until someone starts exploring this further… and then some engineer or their manager started looking for applications for this. In my experience engineering researchers especially are very good with coming up with use cases for whatever tech they’re working with, with little ethical consideration.

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago

Everything is incremental progress in some way.

I remember years back someone doing experiments with Wi-Fi to see if a room was occupied based on signal attenuation.

This just looks like an extension of that.

Not everything is a giant leap

[–] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 10 points 10 hours ago

You think if people who publish their work publicly didn't research things like this, they would just never be discovered?

At least this way, we all know about the possibility, and further research can be done to see what can mitigate it.

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

accurate matches up to 95.5% of the time

and they’re more privacy-preserving than visual images

Oh fuck all the way off.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago

My thought exactly. Their definition of privacy is... interesting

[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

When anyone or anything says that their product works "up to x%" I always presume it doesn't really work at all.
Christ, 1% is included in that "up to 95.5%" vague bullshit statement.

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Incorrect bio-signature detected, drink verification can to continue your content.

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[–] artyom@piefed.social 38 points 1 day ago (11 children)

they're more privacy-preserving than visual images.

hhhhwat. How can they identify you and also be privacy preserving? 🤔

[–] sorter_plainview@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's all AI. You should not worry about it. In fact you should not think about it. All is going to be fine.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Neat. Good luck protecting yourself from this.

On the other hand, I’m seriously considering opening an Etsy shop selling foil-lined clothes. I’m pretty good at sewing. What do you think?

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[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

you can also take a picture of a person with a camera that senses light beams

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[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Someone’s going to use this to drop missiles on “baddies” with their sleeping families in 3 2 1

[–] GrantUsEyes@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was having a nice day :(

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

95.5% accuracy is abysmal for any use case these people want to use it for

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

what if you combine it with other types of imaging

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[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, you're saying the tin foil hat people were right all along?!

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ironically, they're still wrong, because even in their wildest conspiracies, they didn't imagine Wi-Fi could be used to "take pictures" of a sort.

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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You know, this, and the using wifi to see through walls stuff to me just immediately seemed to fall into "don't research this, it can only be used for evil".

I don't get why we bother studying these types of things.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

We study it because EVERYTHING can be used for good or evil.

If we'd stopped researching anything that could be used for evil we'd never have gotten into the stone age

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[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Reminds me of the Christian Bale batman movie where he could spy on everywhere from the bat cave. Seemed so far fetched it almost ruined the movie

[–] 2910000@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago

No-one suspected Bruce Wayne's "free WiFi for Gotham City" initiative

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[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Wait… so the guys with tinfoil hats were on to something?

[–] Baleine@jlai.lu 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Except that the tinfoil hats don't work

[–] 2910000@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (5 children)

Maybe wearing a different tinfoil hat every day would mess up a person's "fingerprint"

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[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Let me know when I can selfhost LibreFi Security on my router and use it for myself. Sounds great for private home use.

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