Guess I'll have to take all the Clinton flags off my f850 dually, take all the Clinton signs outta of my yard, and quit wearing my made in China Clinton hat. Hell, I might have to stop letting Bill fuck my wife.
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If you do that I'll have to close my store that sells nothing but Clinton related trinkets and such.
Nobody under 47 years old has even had a chance to vote for Bill. Nobody gives a shit about that guy.
What about your bill clinton nfts and his golden shoes and the beans that he sold from the oval office. Checkmate leftie
Don’t forget your Clinton bibles!
What am I supposed to do about my Bill tattoo?
At least let me keep my Bill wifu pillow.
The left doesn't worship their politicians as the second coming of Jesus Christ son of God.
Yeah, we (at least I) don't prop up shitty people to save face, just because they're on "my team" and I can't admit I messed up--like basically every MAGA applogist.
In fact we'd be absolutely delighted to filter all the oligarch class pedos out of politics. And yes, all means all. From all corners. Businessmen, politicians, faith leaders. All of them.
Oh no, not the other right wing dude who ran the country one time. Fuck
I feel this encompasses my political universe.
Trumpists: The Clintons are oligarch crooks! Arrest them!
Me: Nods eagerly.
Grads: The US is an imperialist menace! Shows horrific CIA ops.
Me: Mmm hm. Seems like us, yyep.
I'm a local ML enthusiast/tinker too, so:
AI Haters: Sam Altman is a tech bro con artist! ChatGPT is evil and melting our brains!
Me: Yep. Nods. Massive understatement, you have no idea.
Yet I feel binned as a Neolib, US Apologizer and AI Bro. Which I am not.
You have grasped at the very least the most basic understanding of the concept of Nuance, that's how you're able to reason.
Those fucks don't have any critical thinking skills.
And scientific skepticism of one's 'tribe'.
"Trump does no wrong; I trust him no matter what." "None of these communist government incidents are real, or matter." "All AI is offensive (or, the contrary, you're a luddite for not believing in AGI)."
It's frustrating how absolute loyalty is such a cultural norm now, anything less is error. I even see it with some young folks really clinging to their favorite streamers.
...I think that clouds a lot of judgement even if people are good critical thinkers. In fact, I think I read some study on how critical thinking tests nosedive when the subject is one's own beliefs, and spike for the opposition.
You see the thing is that you don't see this as a sport, a lot of other people treat it as such.
I'm with you.
Their angle is not "haha your guy will lose!" but had already shifted to "well your guy does it too so it's ok you can't accuse us of anything otherwise you're a dirty hypocrite "
Which i always hate because he’s not “my guy”. He’s a politician that I voted for based on their policies. This isn’t a sports game.
I remember this with Elon Musk's Nazi salute back in January. Even if the images of other politicians "doing it" hadn't been taken grossly out of context, Musk still did it.
Hilarious that they think they "got us" with someone who was president a quarter century ago.
Democrats voted unanimously to release the files, Republicans voted to hide them. Explain that, MAGA.
"Drop your weapons! Or I kill the man."
"...Well, kill him, he's not our man."
The right considers Republican pedophiles good pedophiles, while the left considers all pedophiles vile. Enough of the double standards bullshit for the rich at the expense of children's lives.
The cult has always assumed that everyone's as bad as they are. That's why they do the things that they do.
If they are on the list, and we can prove the charges, lock them up! I don’t care if it’s the pope, Obama, or my own father. LOCK THEM UP.
Any real leftist would say put the both in jail.
Well, investigate both. And if they're guilty (which seems likely for both) throw both in jail!
Though to be fair, Dump himself should go to jail even without any Epstein revelations, he's done plenty else too
Yes yes yes, some founding fathers have very questionable sex lives with young women, so now let’s see the files and maybe we will find one thing trump has in common with founding fathers?
Clinton was a neoliberal shitbag just like Reagan and HW Bush. I’m a prison abolitionist so just take every cent he has and give it to Epstein’s (and Clinton’s) victims. Let him die poor and hated.
At this point, I doubt even Hillary would defend that asshole if there's solid evidence he was involved.
Throw them all in a low security jail and let nature take its course.
I'm disturbed that you have drawn the honorable and really sexy Austin Powers into this.
Obviously, we don't really care about Bill Clinton, but I would like to bring up someone a lot of us will care about, and should still treat the same way.
Marvin Minsky was a pioneer in the AI field. He also had ties to Epstein. Now, you may not care about Minsky or AI (though I'll point out that the research field and what capitalism is doing with that research are very different things). But you might care about Richard Stallman, and he comes into this, too:
The controversy swirling around him now stems from a series of emails from a CSAIL group email list--made public by Selam Jie Gano--in which Stallman said that a 17-year-old girl who allegedly was instructed by Epstein to have sex with AI pioneer Marvin Minsky likely seemed "entirely willing" to engage in the illegal act. He also argued it is unfair to call such an incident "sexual assault".
Stallman dropped out as president of the Free Software Foundation because of this.
Minsky himself died in 2016, but as far as I'm concerned, Stallman got exactly what he deserved. There's no evidence he was directly involved as far as I'm aware, but those are not acceptable comments to make, and he shows some deep misunderstandings of consent here.
Even Stephen Hawking visiting Epstein island shouldn't stop the list being released.
I wanted to make an "A handshake B" meme about both sides hating pedophiles, but even devising in "A and B" feels bad.
All decent humans hate pedophiles
All decent humans hate pedophiles
There has been a recent wave of online influencers and their ilk suddenly talking about how being attracted to minors is "the most natural thing in the world for all men."
Combine this with the recent push for removing child-labor laws and you really see what the right's values are.
It's not left though. It's right and righter.
I don't think I've ever met anyone that actually likes a Clinton. Granted, I'm not from the US, but I'm counting online in this.
Bill is why I realized politics was something to pay attention to.
For kids who saw him go on MTV, play the sax, and actually listen to and answer questions from the youth, it was fucking huge. That any presidential candidate would address the youth got an entire generation to start paying attention.
Then all the shit with Lewinsky I wasn't old enough to really understand, but I knew he lied under oath, and all the Dems closed ranks and protected him. And that was the first time I thought "both sides" were just fucking liars.
So, long story short:
That shit over 30 years paved the way for trump.
If a Clinton had never held political office in America we'd be nowhere close to where we are today.
Which is why it's so common for Dems today to not give a single fuck about Bill.
He killed our party and set us down this path. Fuck him and every single politician from his neoliberal wing.