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Red meat has a huge carbon footprint because cattle requires a large amount of land and water.
https://sph.tulane.edu/climate-and-food-environmental-impact-beef-consumption
Demand for steaks and burgers is the primary driver of Deforestation:
https://e360.yale.edu/features/marcel-gomes-interview
If you don't have a car and rarely eat red meat, you are doing GREAT ππ π
Sure, you can drink tap water instead of plastic water. You can switch to Tea. You can travel by train. You can use Linux instead of Windows AI's crap. Those are great ideas. But, don't drive yourself crazy. If you are only an ordinary citizen, remember that perfect is the enemy of good.
I like chicken more anyway.
Cheese? Woah woah woah woah steady on there, mate.
Yeah I've cut down a lot, for health, ethical, and environmental reasons. I've got a perfect model in my family to avoid emulating. Red meat is a rare item in my house and I don't often miss it.
We're so disconnected from our food now, the journey here has been all abstract for me.
your tulane link is not exactly good science. it relies on Clark (2019) which itself relies on Poore-Nemecek (2018). Poore & Nemecek built their data by combining LCA studies, a practice which is specifically discouraged by the studies themselves and the guidance on LCA studies generally. we can't really rely on those conclusions at all.
they also rely on Behrens (2017), which shares a problem with poore-nemecek, though a more nuanced one: they myopically distill data from input-output to calculate environmental impacts like water and land use and ghge. this seems reasonable at first blush, but in fact it overlooks the complexity of our agricultural systems. for instance, one of the things farmers feed cattle is cottonseed. cotton is grown for textiles, and the seed is largely waste product. feeding it to cattle is a conservation of resources, and doing so should in no way count against the land, water, and ghge statistics for cattle.
but that's not really here or there, as it turns out, because the thrust of the paper is not "these foods are bad for the environment" or "these foods are good for the environment". the actual claim made in the paper is "there is not actually sufficient data sources available to determine which foods have which impacts".
Not true. The single greatest thing you can do to have a lower carbon footprint is to not have any children.
Yeah I avoid red meat
SCOP, it's what's for dinner.
I like to go bottom up. If chocolate and coffee are off the menu, I'm not sure this life is worth continuing.
I have a steak maybe once a year, usually as a sudden or persistent craving. But other than that it was amazingly easy to convert to poultry for all my regular recipes. Very easy step to make without much thought.
Reducing dairy is my dietary wall.
So only eat beef from dairy herds? And you will half your footprint? Anyone know the rough specifics (Eli5 style) of why that is?